just pm him.

[darthvapor]

he gave reeferman his kush, skunk, original haze and lots of other genetics. So I would imagine reefeman would have the closest to the real thing.

[Rastanfisk]

Q "1.´WTF
Q "2. BIG WTF jimbroker

Hindu Kush region?

´Bigger than Hell

It´s ´´´´weed man ! And the skunkman know´s his Shit

But that is a good question, for all the Seed Bank´s

Peace

Hi jimbroker. The hindu kush from sensi is landrace, not a hybrid. I grew it this year and wrote a report in the outdoor guide. It has a nice smell and was easy to grow but I wasn't really impressed with the potency and it made me wonder if this is what is meant in all the kush descriptions as "mild".

Yeah, the sensi hindu kush and the afghani #1 from seedsman are both solely descended from afghan and hindu kush genes from Sam. Now, what does confuse me is why you are only interested in the ones from Sam. There are quite a few presoviet Afghans and Kushes in circulation that are superior in quality but have never had anything to do with Sam. A cursory view finds presoviet "purple kush", pure kush 88 (pk88), citrali indicas and sativas (not from the kush but still very nice), various PURE Mazar's (also not from the hindu kush but some are very nice), Petrolia Headstash (presoviet afghan, may or may not be from the hindu kush, mixed reviews), Ogbub is planning on releasing Deep Chunk in the very near future (another presoviet afghan which has very good reviews, although it isnt know if it is from the hindu kush or not). If you are looking for the best quality presoviet kush, I would go with the BCO purple kush. If you are looking for a landrace kush closer to a cali kush I would go with the pk88, which is shares so much similarity with Bubba Kush, it almost certainly seems related.

Space Ghost: I did pm him.. to check out and hopefully repspond to my questions in this post so everybody could benefit. =)

Bluebeard: Petrolia headstash has rave reviews and sounds nice.The reason I would like to get Sam's particular indica is because I would like to see/smell/taste/smoke Sam's pheno of indica that a lot of people are already familiar with due to Sam's work. I would imagine it is what most people think of when they think "indica".

But that is a good question, for all the Seed Bank´s

Rastanfink: Kinda answered your own wtf's didn't you? =)

[Sam_Skunkman]

I have not given my genetics to anyone, in more then a decade, if anyone is using them to make seeds them it is without my knowledge.
I have no plans to release anything soon as I am busy with other work, (R&D).
Try Flying Dutchman or Seedsmen UK, they did have my seeds but I don't know what they sell today.

Bluebeard,
When you say pre-Soviet Afghans & Kushes, do you mean pre-1979? If you know of clones that are that old I would be very surprised. That is 29 years old. Clones were not around much as indoor lighting was very new then and not used much yet.
I did see a few other Hindu-Kush and Afghans, Indicas before mine in the mid 70's but they were not maintained in a consistant way, or they were hybridized, so they are not still around except as a part of a current hybrid. Think about the changes a seed variety will go through if maintained by seed every year, and a small population with only one or a few males from seed each year. After 29 years I doubt anyone would say the variety was the same. While with clones, female and male, the seed batch is the same year after year. My oldest clones are 20 years old. The seeds produced are the same as 20 years ago.
BTW, when I came to Amsterdam in 1984 there were no Kush varieties besides mine here, most Kush were made from my work or hybrids of my work. I have also seen Canadian seeds that were Kush, a hybrid of my Kush for sure. I think you know that few Cannabis seed breeders or sellers
traveled to Afghanistan to get fresh seeds for new varietiy development, so where did they get their parental materials to start a new variety? From other seed breeders, in most cases. And in a lot of cases that was from my materials that I had collected and then distributed to everyone.
-SamS

Hi Sam

I think I got lucky and found a true Afghan landrace. A friend has a relative who's serving in the British Army and did a tour of Afghanistan in 2005, he brought some seeds back, I would guess from the Helmand province in the south-west, as I know the British were mostly in that province.

Indoors they took 70 days and were mostly purple, there were two green plants that were identical, just green buds, the lower buds on the green ones being pink. The high is a heady one, you feel it's effects in the fron of your head first and it has very little body stone. It's quite tall and has fairly thin leaves, so I am guessing that it's an indigenous landrace sativa such as described by Valilov rather than one of the short, broad-leafed drug cultivars we think of when we speak of Afghan types.





























Just wondered if you've seen any Afghan types that resemble this one before, Sam?

I crossed the shortest, most branchy male Purple Afghan male to the Cheese clone and this pheno looks quite interesting, I think it's a Skunk/Cheese dom pheno.

[DocLeaf]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

I think you know that few Cannabis seed breeders or sellers traveled to Afghanistan to get fresh seeds for new variety development, so where did they get their parental materials to start a new variety?

Most people travelling into Afghanistan during the 1980's were smuggled in over the Pakistan boarder alongside caravans of rocket propelled grenades!!!

Two Dutch men *(khareji) travelled the Panjshir Valley on horse back during the soviet occupation of Afghanistan in search of cannabis seed.

*The Dutch Men/khareji are obviously 'unnamed' in reference, although these crazy men were the talking point of local communities for some time after. [source: Jason Elliot; An Unexpected Light, Travels in Afghanistan]

Others found way to Nuristan via Chitral, and other lawless places.

hope this helps
peace
DocLeaf

"there was no such thing as travelling anonymously in Afghanistan" Jason Elliot

Sam the Skunkman:

Thanks for the reply. It cleared up a few things for me. I appreciate the mention of who had your seeds in the past so I at least know which breeders would have your stock.