ive been reading alot lately that people are saying that weed grown organic brings out a better taste in weed. is this true? and also has anyone ever did a side by side test with a.n. thanks

[DIGITALHIPPY]

indoor grwing brings out the taste more then anything else imo. outside growing always has a thick heavy taste.

so if i grow organicly indoors it will taste the exact same as the 2 part program indoors?

[Grobot]

I've been thinking about that same question lately. What I'd like to do is run soil, 2 part hydro and organic hydro indoors and then do the same outdoor. All the same strain and then do a double blind taste test. From the people I talk to, the pattern seems to be... whatever way they are growing, that is the best tasting to them! But what came first, the chicken or the egg? Did they pick a grow method then develop a love for their bud grown they're way or did they run across some super-tasty bud and then modify their grow method based on how that bud was produced? I kind of think that it is the former... you grow using a method that is most convenient or interesting to you and as a result you convince yourself to love that bud!

Probably a good place to get insight is looking at how the various cannabis cup winners were grown.

[Suby]

It`s a long standing debate, I have done both.
Properly grown 2 part will taste identical to the same strain in the same setup but grown organically.
The key here is properly grown, I find less experienced growers are more agressive with nutes, in organics overfertilizing is less of an issue as ferts are low release and made slowly available to the plant by the soil biology.
I think this is why this idea persists, if you overfed and under flush plants grown with 2 part then they will taste harsh, well flushed it will be hard to tell them apart.

There are some organic nutrients that affect herb taste like fish emulsions, I find guanos leave a sweeter taste but the diff. is marginal.

S

PS I am the organics forum moderator, i`d only love to tell you that organic are better but the truth, as with anything marijuana and internet related, lies somewhere in the middle.

[treeborion]

whats do you call a good flush???

would u advise anything like final phase for the 2 parters??? ripen doesnt clean the taste i think, anythinkg else other than final phase on the market u think is good for a flush out or just water???

thanks

[Grobot]

Originally Posted by Suby

It`s a long standing debate, I have done both.
Properly grown 2 part will taste identical to the same strain in the same setup but grown organically.
The key here is properly grown, I find less experienced growers are more agressive with nutes, in organics overfertilizing is less of an issue as ferts are low release and made slowly available to the plant by the soil biology.
I think this is why this idea persists, if you overfed and under flush plants grown with 2 part then they will taste harsh, well flushed it will be hard to tell them apart.

There are some organic nutrients that affect herb taste like fish emulsions, I find guanos leave a sweeter taste but the diff. is marginal.

S

PS I am the organics forum moderator, i`d only love to tell you that organic are better but the truth, as with anything marijuana and internet related, lies somewhere in the middle.

Hey Suby, everything you said makes TOTAL sense to me and I applaud you for your objectivity in giving both techniques credit. The overfeeding tendency for new growers is almost definitely the root cause of the debate. If everyone were feeding at appropriate levels and flushing nicely, there would never be any "harsh chemmy-tasting" weed out there and the debate would not exist. It's a man-made problem, rather than an issue inherent to the technique (organic vs. chemical).

I think that I'm going to start hanging out a bit more in the organics forum, sounds like there are some level-headed people over there. Personally, I have avoided the organic side of things because my past experience was that there were a lot of zealots in the organic movement. I don't really believe in the distinction that much. When you get right down to it, it seems like organic is just about employing biological poop factories and chemical uses mechanical poop factories. Big deal. The only thing is that the mechanical poop can be extremely concentrated, so some additional care must be used.

I like that you pointed out some suttle differences between the taste you experience in guano vs. fish emulsion grown weed. Again, this is totally in sync with the idea of "terrior" that is discussed among winemakers, coffee growers, etc. Its all about those suttle differences in the local environment, soil characteristics, water quality, etc. that give a unique product. When you think about it, every one of our rooms, greenhouses, hillsides or fields is a unique microclimate and has a terrior of its own. That, in concert with the human aspects of technique and style in cultivation, give us a really wonderful opportunity to experience "terrior" in our product. I look forward to opportunities to exchange, taste, admire and discuss that with other people, especially those who use techniques that are very different from my own. I don't want to be an "its all-chem/hydro/soilless or nothing" kind of person. I want to be an "ITS ALL GOOD!!! (as long as you flushed it, bro!)" kind of person.

Originally Posted by treeborion

whats do you call a good flush???

would u advise anything like final phase for the 2 parters??? ripen doesnt clean the taste i think, anythinkg else other than final phase on the market u think is good for a flush out or just water???

thanks

Hi tree, I've used Botanicare's Clearex with good results, but I've also used plain water with equal success. I think that just good clean water does the trick fine, but if you have some excessive salt buildup going on, especially during the middle weeks, something like Clearex is helpful to have on hand. If you are in a rush and can't flush as long as you'd like with plain water, using a flushing product might help in speeding the process along somewhat. At least that is the theory, I haven't checked it in a side-by-side comparison.

Oh, and as far as what is a good flush... whatever it takes to get good tasting product. If I mess up and over-fertilize, then a good flush is one that gets me back on track and keeps me from having a harsh taste in the herb. If I am at a good fertilization level, then a good flush is just extra insurance that the herb will be nice, smooth and flavorful. I always try to stay on the moderate side of feeding, so my flushes are also moderate in length... 3 to 8 days seems to work just fine for me. When I hear of 2+ week flushes, I tend to think that they entered the flush after having had an overly-heavily fed run.

this is great info. im a fairly new grower and ive noticed that i overfeed everytime in flower and i need to watch out for that. advanced nutrients are strong too.

[Suby]

Hey Grobot,

I haven't always been so zen about this debate but my reasons for loving organics has nothing to do with taste but rather quality.
I believe that organics are better for the environment, sustainable, reusable, recyclable medium, uses minimal amounts of water, I can gather ferts from the local forest and prepare composts etc.
I like it because it's more "involved", it's a process to get it all rolling but I think it's well worth it.

I find hydro VERY simple, I think anyone who can drill a hole in a bucket and attach an airstone to a pump can get a hydro bubbler setup going in no time, mix A and B and add catalyst, ph adjust, flush, repeat.

I like the chalenge of soil, you need to be able to read the plant quicklybecause unlike hydro it can take a few days to correct the medium if a problem occcurs, in hydro it is a res change and flush away.

In any garden less is more, plants prefer less in the right amounts/proportions unlike humans, we gauge strength by finding out what kills us and backing it off a bit lol.

Suby