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JERI · 01-13-2005, 11:41 AM

Ok please forgive me if this has been posted before . But i was having a talking to another forum member the otherday and he was talking about clones and the age of mother plants in relation to clones . Ok we have all heard about the sheep cloned dolly and that clone aged faster and was as mature as the DNA from which she was cloned from . Ok is this the same with plants gentics . Do clones from mothers plants that are aged and old spread there aged gentic structure onto it clones . Like , lets as we looked a seedling DNA structure its going to look a lot diffrent from a 2 year old mothers DNA structure . If So the Age is passed on in the clones is this a good thing or bad thing as all DNA degrades with time Cell Damage and degradation is then passed on to the clones or is it ? . How long can the Gentics of a mother plant last before there clapped out and the plants and clones look sick and old ? or is the DNA and cloneing diffrent when it comes to plants ??

01-13-2005, 06:05 PM

Your clone is the same age as your mother plant so they do tend to mature and finish faster.

Not as much if any veg time required with a good clone from a mature mother.

Tex

pistillwhipped · 01-13-2005, 06:26 PM

Cloning plants and cloning sheep are utterly different worlds. When cloning plants, essentially, the clone IS the mother. In animals, this is achieved by vacating the chromosones from an egg and inserting cultured chromosones, something COMPLETELY unheard of in nature... lots of stress...lots of failure points... Our fine plant does it all by herself in nature...beauty by design

I cannot answer the question about degradation after successive clonings .....but some one here definately can (and probably will :wink: )

JLP · 01-13-2005, 06:47 PM

I've seen people claim they degrade and just as many say they don't.I had a mother for about a year and a half one time and I saw no difference.
Like pistillwhipped said,cloning sheep is way different.In plants,the word "clone" almost gives the process more credit than it deserves,although it is a true clone.The word "cutting" is actually more accurate.

JLP

01-13-2005, 07:29 PM

Im currently growing a clone of dj.shorts blueberry from a friend, and its 5 years old.

The smoke is really nice and the plant is hardy and tough with woody main stems but still alot of fresh new growth. Still alot of vigor left imo.

Heres a couple of pics @ 6 weeks veg after the clone was rooted and sent..

01-13-2005, 07:36 PM

5 years old....nice

Tex

Harry Gypsna · 01-13-2005, 09:46 PM

The term Cloning as JLP said I think is confusing, and should be called a cutting, this process is known in the plant industry as "Asexual Propagation" There are other similar methods such as "Air layering(I dont know if that could be useful to we growers or not??) and even Tissue culture.
Man im loving this reading, lol

toofat · 01-13-2005, 10:40 PM

I have been taking a cutting from each generation for a year and have not seen any degrading.

KRS Juan · 01-13-2005, 10:57 PM

The biggest difference is how plants age and how mammals age. Mammal DNA starts breaking down when the DNA encapsulates (end caps) deteriorate. This is what happened to dolly and many other cloned animals. This is how humans age. I am not a botanist (or even close) so I cant comment on how plant DNA breaks down.

-KRS Juan-

JERI · 01-14-2005, 10:47 AM

Ok lots of people have posted good points. A Cloned plant cloned human same thing a clone or replercation of the same gentic material same DNA wether it be human DNA or Plant DNA . Ok with our aging process its a destroy rebuild system , with each cells each time a new cell is replaced it is not a perfect copy of the original our DNA stran is shortned each time our cells divide with each division we lose blocks off our telomeres , telomeres is that funny looking string of molecules that look like this {}{}{}{}{} and serves as a clock or time bomb on our aging as eventually the string after a 100 years or so get so small it canot replercate and we die of extream old age . Now if this happens to us shorly it must happen to Plants and say we take a clone of a 80 year old mother plant its going to have the same aged shortened telomeres . Now what I want to know is whats the life span of Cannabis plant ? I know some trees can grow for thousands of years and i know some weeds and grass only have a short life span . Is there a point where a plant just wont grow and has to die due to age , just like human ?

01-13-2005, 11:41 AM	#1
JERI New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 18	GENTICES OF CLONES Ok please forgive me if this has been posted before . But i was having a talking to another forum member the otherday and he was talking about clones and the age of mother plants in relation to clones . Ok we have all heard about the sheep cloned dolly and that clone aged faster and was as mature as the DNA from which she was cloned from . Ok is this the same with plants gentics . Do clones from mothers plants that are aged and old spread there aged gentic structure onto it clones . Like , lets as we looked a seedling DNA structure its going to look a lot diffrent from a 2 year old mothers DNA structure . If So the Age is passed on in the clones is this a good thing or bad thing as all DNA degrades with time Cell Damage and degradation is then passed on to the clones or is it ? . How long can the Gentics of a mother plant last before there clapped out and the plants and clones look sick and old ? or is the DNA and cloneing diffrent when it comes to plants ??
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01-13-2005, 06:05 PM	#2
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Your clone is the same age as your mother plant so they do tend to mature and finish faster. Not as much if any veg time required with a good clone from a mature mother. Tex
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01-13-2005, 06:26 PM	#3
pistillwhipped Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In my happy place Posts: 501	Cloning plants and cloning sheep are utterly different worlds. When cloning plants, essentially, the clone IS the mother. In animals, this is achieved by vacating the chromosones from an egg and inserting cultured chromosones, something COMPLETELY unheard of in nature... lots of stress...lots of failure points... Our fine plant does it all by herself in nature...beauty by design I cannot answer the question about degradation after successive clonings .....but some one here definately can (and probably will :wink: )
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01-13-2005, 06:47 PM	#4
JLP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 21 Jump St. Posts: 1,130	I've seen people claim they degrade and just as many say they don't.I had a mother for about a year and a half one time and I saw no difference. Like pistillwhipped said,cloning sheep is way different.In plants,the word "clone" almost gives the process more credit than it deserves,although it is a true clone.The word "cutting" is actually more accurate. JLP
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01-13-2005, 07:29 PM	#5
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Im currently growing a clone of dj.shorts blueberry from a friend, and its 5 years old. The smoke is really nice and the plant is hardy and tough with woody main stems but still alot of fresh new growth. Still alot of vigor left imo. Heres a couple of pics @ 6 weeks veg after the clone was rooted and sent..
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01-13-2005, 07:36 PM	#6
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	5 years old....nice Tex
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01-13-2005, 09:46 PM	#7
Harry Gypsna Dirty hippy Bastard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Outside BodyShop, with a Tin Whistle and a dog on a piece of string Posts: 8,157	The term Cloning as JLP said I think is confusing, and should be called a cutting, this process is known in the plant industry as "Asexual Propagation" There are other similar methods such as "Air layering(I dont know if that could be useful to we growers or not??) and even Tissue culture. Man im loving this reading, lol __________________ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and none of these people are very funny.
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01-13-2005, 10:40 PM	#8
toofat Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 862	I have been taking a cutting from each generation for a year and have not seen any degrading. __________________ “Being happy doesn't mean everything is perfect. It means you have decided to see beyond the imperfections. " EVERYTHING I POST IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY. SO, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT I AM A BIG LIAR.
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01-13-2005, 10:57 PM	#9
KRS Juan Smarmy Fuck Jr. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 795	The biggest difference is how plants age and how mammals age. Mammal DNA starts breaking down when the DNA encapsulates (end caps) deteriorate. This is what happened to dolly and many other cloned animals. This is how humans age. I am not a botanist (or even close) so I cant comment on how plant DNA breaks down. -KRS Juan- __________________ Self appointed "King of Kush"
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01-14-2005, 10:47 AM	#10
JERI New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 18	Ok lots of people have posted good points. A Cloned plant cloned human same thing a clone or replercation of the same gentic material same DNA wether it be human DNA or Plant DNA . Ok with our aging process its a destroy rebuild system , with each cells each time a new cell is replaced it is not a perfect copy of the original our DNA stran is shortned each time our cells divide with each division we lose blocks off our telomeres , telomeres is that funny looking string of molecules that look like this {}{}{}{}{} and serves as a clock or time bomb on our aging as eventually the string after a 100 years or so get so small it canot replercate and we die of extream old age . Now if this happens to us shorly it must happen to Plants and say we take a clone of a 80 year old mother plant its going to have the same aged shortened telomeres . Now what I want to know is whats the life span of Cannabis plant ? I know some trees can grow for thousands of years and i know some weeds and grass only have a short life span . Is there a point where a plant just wont grow and has to die due to age , just like human ?
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