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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
sam s much respect to you and all your doings hope you hav a moment to enlighten me
i understand the original haze from the 7os was your fav of all time.im wondering if the o.haze the flying dutchmen carry today is the same as the one you speak of. im a haze lover myself its some of the most potent delicious tasting buds i ever smoked. i love amsterdam but i havnt seen haze in the coffeshops that can compare with wat we hav bac home .i know you brought the genetics out ther but were they at. id lov to see pics of the o.h. n also a smoke report if possible. |
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I'll second that!
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Bump---I'll third that!
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Yes they have my Original Haze, ask if they made the seeds or if I did as I don't know what all they sell.
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For many years now I have been a member of the various forums, and I have read much information on all of the more legendary varietys in the world. I have grown more famous Dutch lines than you shake a stick at and have seen some varietys hyped well beyond their means and some varietys that were very good, despite their lack of attention among the masses.
The Nevilles Haze is said to be originated from the earliest Haze stock available. The lines are said to trace back to genetics from 1969. There are indeed many documented grow reports on the Nevilles Haze which support its description as some of the best in the world. The Flying Dutchmen Original Haze is not as old as the Nevilles Haze lines I have read, and definitely has a lack of grow reports to back up the legendary status this variety has. Also interesting to note the Dutchmen Original Haze is much faster then Pure Haze is generally given credit for. For many years now the Dutchmen Original Haze has been available, but very few grow reports have documented its life cycle. You can have people tell you its LSD marijuana all you want, but if that was the truth and the Original Haze was that good it would be grown more frequently then the various Kush lines on the boards. I remain unconvinced the Original Haze is as good as many say it is. Where are the grow reports? The numerous first hand accounts of the dutchmens genetics? No disrespect to anybody, but you have to stop and think sometimes. |
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We're talking about the Original Haze from The Flying Dutchmen, which doesnt list its flowering times nearly at 26 weeks. Thats a common argument Ive read throughout the years, it takes too long. But in reality there would have been groweres among the literally thousands on the boards over the great many years who would have for gone the long period in order to grow it out. So I read and have read so much about the Original Haze and its history. But very few reports have actually been done on these varietys. While other sativa lines, some who take up to 20 weeks themselves are readily available on the forums. If its as good as people say, where are the grow reports? Where are the numerous first hand accounts of how potent this marijuana is? Maybe it is that good, may it isnt. I just think its interesting nobody seems to grow this variety, which has been available for a great many years now. There are literally more grow reports on the OT1 Haze then the Original Haze, Im not the only one who thinks this to be odd? Last edited by AnatomiclySound; 02-24-2008 at 04:38 AM.. |
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Well, Nevilles Haze is derived from Original Haze matierials I gave Neville in 1980's, not 1969, but it is not a pure Haze, it has been crossed with the NL line. So you are comparing apples and oranges.. Take FD Original Haze and make a cross with your favorite female clone and you will be surprised how good it is. Often much better then either parent. Also I have suggested many times that Original Haze is "breeding material" not great commercial growing materials, but you seem to only notice what you want to notice. It is the only pure Original Haze available. Bottom line is if you want an almost Haze line that is stong and popular get Nevilles Haze, SSH, Kali Mist, Sage, or a dozen other Haze Hybrids that mostly used my Original Haze as a parent, directly or through a Haze Hybrid based on my Haze genetics available from 1976 from me. If you want pure Sativa blood to use for breeding then remember that all of the above are Haze hybrids only and most used Indica bloodlines to some degree. "We're talking about the Original Haze from The Flying Dutchmen, which doesnt list its flowering times nearly at 26 weeks" What is the 26 weeks about? I have grown Haze a lot, but 26 weeks? WTF?? -SamS |
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First things first, you should be aware I have alot of respect for you. But I have to say that Ive got first hand knowledge from those involved at MNS that contradict your story of giving Neville the seeds that ultimately went into the Nevilles Haze. They can and do trace their haze stock back to 1969 and I have absolutely no reason to doubt their words. You're right though, NH does have NL in its mix. But the reason I brought up Nevs Haze is because its known to go 20 weeks give or take itself. And another poster mentioned the reason we do not see so many reports is because of its flowering times. Which is an answer we here alot throughout the years whenever a similar question is posed. Quote:
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If I was going to purchase The Original Haze, I would want the Haze that has the effects we had read you describe so many times Sam. In my experience with Haze, they have proved to be lack luster in comparison to your descriptions which leave me kicking the wall wishing I could acquire the variety you speak of so highly. Quote:
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It would be nice to see others experiencing the same things this legendary variety is said to possess. Much respect Sam, AS Last edited by AnatomiclySound; 02-24-2008 at 05:23 AM.. |
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I hate so say anything without a source to back up my claims, which alot of members like to do on these boards.
I have no beef with anybody or any seed bank. Ive been involved in Marijuana for a great many years, but not nearly as long as the veterans like Sam, Neville, Shanti, Simon, Eddie etc. You have to respect the guys who paved the roads we drive on today. Quote:
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