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Your Neighbor · 01-07-2005, 06:00 AM

I'm looking for a little more info

What are the differences in these 2 systems

https://www.overgrow.com/article/12/1

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=4147

I'm thinking about the one Train1 did except making it a recirculating system

So what does that extra bucket, lava rock and hydrotron do?
If this has been covered please point me in the right direction

Thanks

01-07-2005, 06:06 AM

the second layer of rock allows a city of beneficial bacteria to grow in the area and feed and maintain the roots

BuzzBob · 01-07-2005, 06:09 AM

Hey Neighbor! --

Pretty simple, really... The first example is a pretty standard DWC {Deep Water Culter} Bucket System. HOG's system, your second example, is an E&F {Ebb & Flow} System, implemented with buckets.

In a DWC, the buckets {or tub, or whatever the grow container happens to be} remain full at all times, and the roots grow directly into the standing water/nutirents.

In an E&F System, nutrients are pumped into the system on a timed interval, for a specific perod of time, and then the water/nutes drain back into the resevoir...

That is the biggest difference...

Hooked-On-Grown · 01-07-2005, 06:11 AM

howdy neighbor!!!
Train1's system is a DWC sytem. Meaning it keeps the buckets filled all the time and has airstones in each bucket. He uses the controller bucket to drain all of the buckets into a large res and then adjusts his nutes . He then flushes the water back into the buckets after adjusting to resume DWC.

My buckets are the Mukti-Flow Design. It is a Ebb & Flow Sytem, meaning it fills and drains at set times of the day depending on plant stage. The water stays in the 55 gallon drum and is fed into the controller bucket and distributed to the other buckets evenly by float valves.

Hope this helps....

Hooked-On-Grown · 01-07-2005, 06:12 AM

beat to the BUZZer............

BuzzBob · 01-07-2005, 06:13 AM

LOL... I think we were all three typing at the same time!

Hooked-On-Grown · 01-07-2005, 06:14 AM

LOL!!! I didn't even see danimal!!!

Your Neighbor · 01-07-2005, 06:27 AM

Is there a difference in quantity & what is usually more reliable?

I understand everything else.
I just see less exspense with 12 buckets instead of 24.

And thanks for the help guys

Edit - I added some pics in my gallery for a small peek but it's still empty

BuzzBob · 01-07-2005, 06:47 AM

HiYa again, Neighbor! --

Wow... Here, let me buzz some, and ramble at ya a bit... {In the meantime, HOG will prolly beat me back to the punch... :wink:}

I am currently growing in a 5 Gal DWC Bucket System {the AK Grow in my sig}, and am pleased with it! Now, that's not to say that if I were to set up again, and could afford all the pieces, that I would not go with HOG's System... It seems the best of both worlds!!

The big benefit of the buckets is the potential to grow really large plants, since the roots have so much room for growth! There's a rule of thumb someplace about how much you can hope for up top, based on how much it can grow below, but I don't recall it the moment. Basically, though, the larger the root container, and the more they are permitted to grow into it, the greater the potential for yield...

In a DWC System, you need to have an airstone in each bucket. This can get quite expensive, and does create multiple potential points of failure. Especially if you dedicate one pump per bucket, as I do! Note: Skimping on air to your roots is not a good idea, as the higher you can have the Dissolved Oxygen {DO} in your water, the better! It increases your root growth, and helps to stave off root rot!

In most E&F Systems, you will see people using a table for their flood, with their plants in NetPots. The roots of the plants ultimately grow out of the posts, and down onto the table, where they remain damp between feedings.

In HOG's System, which as he says, is an DIY implementation of the Multi Flow Hydroponic System, uses the larger nested buckets, in place of a table. By using the nested buckets, the inner bucket {containing the lava rock and/or grow-rocks} has significantly more room for root growth, and therefore resulting yield...

HOG's system, by comparison to DWC Buckets, does not require all the airpumps/airstones... Less cost, and fewer points of failure. The only failure points in the Multi-Flow are in the timers, and the pumps... So in reality, I believe you will have fewer problems, once it is all set up, with the E&F System...

BabbleBob Out...

Hooked-On-Grown · 01-07-2005, 08:57 AM

well said old chap!!

Or you can grow ome big Monster in a 20 gal tote!!!

01-07-2005, 06:00 AM	#1
Your Neighbor New Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9	A bucket or a bucket in a bucket I'm looking for a little more info What are the differences in these 2 systems https://www.overgrow.com/article/12/1 https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=4147 I'm thinking about the one Train1 did except making it a recirculating system So what does that extra bucket, lava rock and hydrotron do? If this has been covered please point me in the right direction Thanks
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01-07-2005, 06:06 AM	#2
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	the second layer of rock allows a city of beneficial bacteria to grow in the area and feed and maintain the roots
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01-07-2005, 06:09 AM	#3
BuzzBob aka Buzz'dBob Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: State of Misery Posts: 1,149	Hey Neighbor! -- Pretty simple, really... The first example is a pretty standard DWC {Deep Water Culter} Bucket System. HOG's system, your second example, is an E&F {Ebb & Flow} System, implemented with buckets. In a DWC, the buckets {or tub, or whatever the grow container happens to be} remain full at all times, and the roots grow directly into the standing water/nutirents. In an E&F System, nutrients are pumped into the system on a timed interval, for a specific perod of time, and then the water/nutes drain back into the resevoir... That is the biggest difference... __________________ Featured Grows SFxBlueberry AK47s Contributed Tools Grow Schedule Assistant
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01-07-2005, 06:11 AM	#4
Hooked-On-Grown Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm in here.....somewhere... Posts: 2,158	howdy neighbor!!! Train1's system is a DWC sytem. Meaning it keeps the buckets filled all the time and has airstones in each bucket. He uses the controller bucket to drain all of the buckets into a large res and then adjusts his nutes . He then flushes the water back into the buckets after adjusting to resume DWC. My buckets are the Mukti-Flow Design. It is a Ebb & Flow Sytem, meaning it fills and drains at set times of the day depending on plant stage. The water stays in the 55 gallon drum and is fed into the controller bucket and distributed to the other buckets evenly by float valves. Hope this helps....
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01-07-2005, 06:12 AM	#5
Hooked-On-Grown Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm in here.....somewhere... Posts: 2,158	beat to the BUZZer............
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01-07-2005, 06:13 AM	#6
BuzzBob aka Buzz'dBob Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: State of Misery Posts: 1,149	LOL... I think we were all three typing at the same time! __________________ Featured Grows SFxBlueberry AK47s Contributed Tools Grow Schedule Assistant
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01-07-2005, 06:14 AM	#7
Hooked-On-Grown Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm in here.....somewhere... Posts: 2,158	LOL!!! I didn't even see danimal!!!
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01-07-2005, 06:27 AM	#8
Your Neighbor New Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9	Clear things up Is there a difference in quantity & what is usually more reliable? I understand everything else. I just see less exspense with 12 buckets instead of 24. And thanks for the help guys Edit - I added some pics in my gallery for a small peek but it's still empty
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01-07-2005, 06:47 AM	#9
BuzzBob aka Buzz'dBob Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: State of Misery Posts: 1,149	HiYa again, Neighbor! -- Wow... Here, let me buzz some, and ramble at ya a bit... {In the meantime, HOG will prolly beat me back to the punch... :wink:} I am currently growing in a 5 Gal DWC Bucket System {the AK Grow in my sig}, and am pleased with it! Now, that's not to say that if I were to set up again, and could afford all the pieces, that I would not go with HOG's System... It seems the best of both worlds!! The big benefit of the buckets is the potential to grow really large plants, since the roots have so much room for growth! There's a rule of thumb someplace about how much you can hope for up top, based on how much it can grow below, but I don't recall it the moment. Basically, though, the larger the root container, and the more they are permitted to grow into it, the greater the potential for yield... In a DWC System, you need to have an airstone in each bucket. This can get quite expensive, and does create multiple potential points of failure. Especially if you dedicate one pump per bucket, as I do! Note: Skimping on air to your roots is not a good idea, as the higher you can have the Dissolved Oxygen {DO} in your water, the better! It increases your root growth, and helps to stave off root rot! In most E&F Systems, you will see people using a table for their flood, with their plants in NetPots. The roots of the plants ultimately grow out of the posts, and down onto the table, where they remain damp between feedings. In HOG's System, which as he says, is an DIY implementation of the Multi Flow Hydroponic System, uses the larger nested buckets, in place of a table. By using the nested buckets, the inner bucket {containing the lava rock and/or grow-rocks} has significantly more room for root growth, and therefore resulting yield... HOG's system, by comparison to DWC Buckets, does not require all the airpumps/airstones... Less cost, and fewer points of failure. The only failure points in the Multi-Flow are in the timers, and the pumps... So in reality, I believe you will have fewer problems, once it is all set up, with the E&F System... BabbleBob Out... __________________ Featured Grows SFxBlueberry AK47s Contributed Tools Grow Schedule Assistant
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01-07-2005, 08:57 AM	#10
Hooked-On-Grown Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm in here.....somewhere... Posts: 2,158	well said old chap!! Or you can grow ome big Monster in a 20 gal tote!!!
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