I hope some breeder or seller can offer some insight as to why so many seed producers rarely have any stock? Its puzzling to me. I know the demand exists.

If you look across the seed banks,, many of the strains are empty and many have been for a long while. For instance, Cali - kush seeds from Seed B havent had seeds for years and others have had strains that went unavailable for years.

I wonder how this happens. I know the skills required to be a good breeder have zero relation to being able to run a business and I suspect that is the real problem because it doesn't seem to happen so much with the higher quality breeders like sensi or Paradise. Is it planning and management?

Perhaps some of you in the know can offer some insight into this phenomenon.

[Chiefsmokingbud]

I would like to know aswell. Alot of strains have been out of stock since the summer

[guineapig]

Well, the private breeders and the very small companies are in a different situation than the more well-established companies.....sometimes a variety is released in a limited edition format......sometimes your elite male dies or is confiscated by the authorities......sometimes YOU are confiscated by the authorities......

The one example you mentioned is rather ancient, and was probably left up in the Seed Vendor database just to preserve it for historical purposes.......you might not see that company again, so that's how some varieties increase in value......

I am no breeder, but i know this:

Every day I get down on my knees and pray for the brave souls who breed the Cannabis plant......these people risk everything for the preservation of genetic stocks for a medicine upon which many people depend......

Bless you brave souls, one and all!!!

kind regards from guineapig

[HillBilly Green]

I have noticed this for quite some time. Tired old genetics are all that are around. People want new stuff, but argue that the breeding process' are not good enough. The game certainly has changed since I first started growing. Clone hoarders are partly to blame. So afraid some one will water down something that never belonged to them in the first place. Imagine if this was the way it was in the beginning of the seed market, we wouldn't have what we have now. Face it Cali you guys/gals need to let these genetics out more.

Such a tired old story, I am growing my old seed stock now. Gonna run them all.

I would like to add that I am not trying to bash the Cali breeders/growers for having the new stock. I am just tired of the delusions that they are gonna be able to operate as a successful seed producer/provider for a global market while residing in the US. It hasn't worked so far and there is no miracle around the corner that is gonna change this. In the meantime the people that want them have to suffer trying to get a clone.

Hi everyone,

Gp, I couldn't agree more about the seed producers and I didn't mean to imply anything negative about them. They are great and I wouldn't have half of the happiness in my life if not for them. However, you would think they would try to adjust to those negative conditions. For example, why would you try to produce 20 strains and market them - doing a poor job of keeping stock or parents as opposed to doing a few that you would know you could maintain an supply. Serious seeds seems to follow this business plan rarely goes out of stock, whereas Reeferman seeds is the extreme example of a strain a minute mentality but never a strain that will stand the test of time and be available. Just my speculation though.

Hillbilly, right now I'm looking to buy some of that"same old genetics. Not much luck.

[m@rg]

id be makin thousands of seeds ,every crop if i knew people wanted them
its just a case of finding the "perfect parents"
i think us "small time" growers could quite easily give the seed companys a run for there money if we decided to start releasing our own seeds

[FarmerJoe]

Small time growers could cut out the greed and the business from it all, and just share seedstock.

:Shocked: The implications of love and peace.

Gosh M@rg, I don't think I agree. First, I believe there is more skill involved than I have or to just dust the female with pollen, but also i suspect the breeders are able to grow out a larger population to select from. You can have a good result from home breeding but I think it takes some expertise and experience to produce top notch consistent, vigorous, potent strains. It might be you but it aint me.

Highest honors to breeders I say!

[Ganico]

silverback- 99% of the strains available are f1's from single parent crosses. I guess that's the problem with the blackmarket though. But, most of these companies are in places where it's legal to sell seeds, so I don't really understand it

There's a few good companies though

[Brownpants]

I think a lot of the seed producers have gone out on their own.
Selling their seeds from their own websites.
What is lacking is a place for new growers to sell their seeds.