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Cajun · 02-29-2004, 02:29 PM

Here we go, I'll try to document as best I can on this grow. The basic setup is 650 watts total (one 250hps and another 400 hps) and the system is 6 buckets in a recirculating DWC system. This gives me more than 100 watts per plant!!! I may add 2 more buckets later.

The system is homemade except for the net pot lids. These things are great! They are a lid that snaps on to any 5 gallon bucket and the netpot is built into the lid. I am probably going to get a spray head for the recirculating water to sort of get an aeroponic affect in there as well. The control bucket will have a float valve and will be connected to the 18 gallon reservoir. I eventually plan to keep the nute level at about 3" from the bottom of the bucket and let the spray head water it mostly. Do you think there will be any benefit from any of this or should I just not worry about any of this and let the water drip into the buckets?

Everything here, the res, control, and all buckets will be airated from a GH airpump. I read somewhere that if you run the airline into a soda bottle and out of the soda bottle it would lessen the noise created in the buckets. I may give this a try and see if theres any truth to that. The pump itself makes a fair bit of noise so I may put it somewhere like in the attic and run lines into the room.

The recirculating pump is a 200 gph fountain pump. I hope this is what I need because I have thrown out the box and receipt! I'll have it pumping into an 8-way splitter manifold and from there into the buckets via quarter inch tubing where we get to what I was saying above about the aeroponic thing.

Ventilation, Presently I have a 265 cfm GH blower blowing into a homemade carbon scrubber. My plans are when I have some money to buy a 400cfm inline fan and a carbon scrubber and vent the room into that through cool tubes. The room is about 250 cubic feet. I hope what I have now is enough to get me through until I can afford the new fan & scrubber. The room is about 250 cubic ft. and I plan to eventually have a 493 cfm fan blowing into a carbon filter (the Can-Filters). I hope this will elimenate all odor problems!

Ideally I would like to have an ozone generator inside or near the room. Are there any detrimental affects from running ozone into a carbon scrubber? Does it de-activate the carbon or anything?

Well one of these days I'll figure out how to attach a picture here and I'll show yall what I'm taking about.

I have a NLxHaze from Nirvana getting ready for cloning. Hopefully in the next two weeks I can get them going. I'm not really that fond of this cross as far as yield goes but the haze is very noticeable in both taste and buzz type. This will be my last run for a while so I'm hoping for a nice harvest. Couple of things I'll need to figure out is about how high or long to let the clones veg for before flowering. The will be spaced about 12 inches on center apart from each other. I was thinkig of having them finish at about 2 feet or a little less since I heard the usefulness of the light is not as good any more than that. So I figure veg them to about 8 inches and then flower them.

I'm sure I left out several details due to my buzz at the minute but I may be overlooking something. My goal in this thread is to make sure I have thought of everything before I get started so I don't run into any unpleasant (and expensive) surprises. Well I hope this thread sparks a discussion that is beneficial to my first multiple plant grow and to the community.

Grow Strong and Stay Smart and Safe out there.

Peace, Cajun

GreatLakes THC · 03-02-2004, 11:51 PM

Great start Cajun. Looks like you've obviously done some homework before getting started. You should get some nice smoke with your setup and the genetics you've chosen for the grow. Where is the grow room located in your house? You may find that the noise from the pump, although noticeable isn't really an issue for you. Looking forward to seeing what you can do.

Grow on,
GreatLakes THC

Cajun · 03-03-2004, 01:55 AM

Thanks GreatLakes THC! Yes, I tried to do my homework before getting going. I'm still letting the moms veg... True that smoke is great, I have some from last run in single dwc under the 250. yep, I have never run a pump this big before so I don't know what to expect. It puts off a good bit of noise on a "Dry Run" with no hoses! I can't imagine the fountain pump makes any noise at all. Have you ever heard anything of using the soda bottle as a muffler or is that a myth? Sounds good in theory! What about ozone & carbon scrubbers?

Thanks man, I'll keep the updates coming.

Peace, Cajun

GreatLakes THC · 03-03-2004, 11:12 PM

Sorry that I can't help you on the Soda Bottle Idea. I haven't heard of it before, but then sometimes no news is good news. I don't really have to worry about noise where I'm at, but growers can come up with some pretty ingenious and economical ways to fix issues. You should be able to find something that will work for you either on this site or some of the other forums around the net. Good luck.

I'll be watchin,
GreatLakes THC

GreatLakes THC · 03-13-2004, 07:12 AM

Cajun, how's the grow coming along? Got any updates for us?

GreatLakes THC

sweetgreendream · 03-22-2004, 02:11 PM

I have never tried this but there are several posts on OG by people who claim it is the real deal. Noise is not that big an issue for me except the humming of my ballasts.

hth,,sgd

Forty-Six & 2 · 03-22-2004, 05:51 PM

Sweet setup man. You're guaranteed to produce some serious monsters in there. DWC, as you probably already know, creates fast, vigorous growth and stunning yields. You're sure to be happy.

As far as the ozone goes, you might want to reconsider putting an ozone generator in there with your plants. The stuff can be very harmful to people and plants, and plants can even suffer damage from being exposed to too much of it. How much can they take? I really don't know, I just know that too much can hurt them and that the stuff isn't too healthy for us humans either as it's a lung irritant. If you have a carbon air scrubber in there, I don't think you'll have too much use for ozone as that should control the odor nicely. If your current scrubber still doesn't do the trick, then maybe a bigger scrubber and fan might be a better idea. I've used ozone in the past myself, an Air Tiger model, and so I can attest to the fact that it does hurt your lungs. You must be very careful with it. I personally have decided not to use it anymore as I have pets and don't want to hurt them or get emphezyma at an early age. Some people will swear by it, and it DOES work, but it's just kinda iffy and needs to be regulated properly to insure one's safety.

About when to throw your plants into flower. It looks like you've got limitless vertical room in with your setup, and you also have a decent amount of light that is going to be pounding down on your babies. You have the light, the room, and the setup to grow huge plants, so personally I'd let them get bigger than 8 inches before flowering them. I'd grow them to at least a foot in veg before changing the light cycle, but that's just me. Either way, you're going to have some serious nugs on your hands.

Good luck and stay safe.

Forty

Cajun · 03-24-2004, 03:55 AM

GreatLakes THC, I just have the 2 mothers just staying alive under a cfl for right now. I am waiting to get my ventilation / odor control finished before diving in again. Sorry no excitement yet. It will probably be sometime yet before I get underway. I'll post here when something does happen. Besides, right now I'm still enjoying my last harvest!

Forty-Six & 2, Thanks for the input. Thanks for the heads up about the ozone. I have the system in a room off my garage. I'd put the ozone generator in the garage on a timer do you think that would stil be harmful? I really have to have the odor issue solved before I fire up again. I plan on getting a 413 cfm can filter & fan combo and run that exhausting the room with the ozone in garage and passive intake under the door. What do you think, will this work or do you advise different?

Yep, I have the space to grow large plants but the range of "good" intense light is only about a foot or so I've been told. Don't the buds need the most intense light to bulk up? I'll let them go to about a foot in veg if you think th elight won't be a problem.

Peace, Cajun

seeyouaunty · 03-31-2004, 04:01 PM

I'm just confirming that the soda bottle trick works really well for making the airpumps and airstones much quieter. As long as you get it airtight you shouldn't lose any power.

I'm not sure on what your plans are, but the easiest way is to drill two holes in the soda bottle lid one size smaller than your airline tubing.

If you have a carbon scrubber you don't need the ozone unit IMO. The carbon filter will remove the ozone from the air, which will shorten the lifespan a little before you need to replace the carbon. If you have a really stinky strain going and the carbon filter isn't quite doing the job then obviously use the ozone as well.

Good growing to you.

222Simon222 · 04-03-2004, 09:10 AM

Hey, where did you get those Net Pot Lids that you talked about?

02-29-2004, 02:29 PM	#1
Cajun Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 29	6 station DWC Here we go, I'll try to document as best I can on this grow. The basic setup is 650 watts total (one 250hps and another 400 hps) and the system is 6 buckets in a recirculating DWC system. This gives me more than 100 watts per plant!!! I may add 2 more buckets later. The system is homemade except for the net pot lids. These things are great! They are a lid that snaps on to any 5 gallon bucket and the netpot is built into the lid. I am probably going to get a spray head for the recirculating water to sort of get an aeroponic affect in there as well. The control bucket will have a float valve and will be connected to the 18 gallon reservoir. I eventually plan to keep the nute level at about 3" from the bottom of the bucket and let the spray head water it mostly. Do you think there will be any benefit from any of this or should I just not worry about any of this and let the water drip into the buckets? Everything here, the res, control, and all buckets will be airated from a GH airpump. I read somewhere that if you run the airline into a soda bottle and out of the soda bottle it would lessen the noise created in the buckets. I may give this a try and see if theres any truth to that. The pump itself makes a fair bit of noise so I may put it somewhere like in the attic and run lines into the room. The recirculating pump is a 200 gph fountain pump. I hope this is what I need because I have thrown out the box and receipt! I'll have it pumping into an 8-way splitter manifold and from there into the buckets via quarter inch tubing where we get to what I was saying above about the aeroponic thing. Ventilation, Presently I have a 265 cfm GH blower blowing into a homemade carbon scrubber. My plans are when I have some money to buy a 400cfm inline fan and a carbon scrubber and vent the room into that through cool tubes. The room is about 250 cubic feet. I hope what I have now is enough to get me through until I can afford the new fan & scrubber. The room is about 250 cubic ft. and I plan to eventually have a 493 cfm fan blowing into a carbon filter (the Can-Filters). I hope this will elimenate all odor problems! Ideally I would like to have an ozone generator inside or near the room. Are there any detrimental affects from running ozone into a carbon scrubber? Does it de-activate the carbon or anything? Well one of these days I'll figure out how to attach a picture here and I'll show yall what I'm taking about. I have a NLxHaze from Nirvana getting ready for cloning. Hopefully in the next two weeks I can get them going. I'm not really that fond of this cross as far as yield goes but the haze is very noticeable in both taste and buzz type. This will be my last run for a while so I'm hoping for a nice harvest. Couple of things I'll need to figure out is about how high or long to let the clones veg for before flowering. The will be spaced about 12 inches on center apart from each other. I was thinkig of having them finish at about 2 feet or a little less since I heard the usefulness of the light is not as good any more than that. So I figure veg them to about 8 inches and then flower them. I'm sure I left out several details due to my buzz at the minute but I may be overlooking something. My goal in this thread is to make sure I have thought of everything before I get started so I don't run into any unpleasant (and expensive) surprises. Well I hope this thread sparks a discussion that is beneficial to my first multiple plant grow and to the community. Grow Strong and Stay Smart and Safe out there. Peace, Cajun Last edited by Cajun; 03-02-2004 at 06:10 AM..
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03-02-2004, 11:51 PM	#2
GreatLakes THC an Arthur P. Jacobs production Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Where the Neons turn to Woods Posts: 3,219	Great Start Great start Cajun. Looks like you've obviously done some homework before getting started. You should get some nice smoke with your setup and the genetics you've chosen for the grow. Where is the grow room located in your house? You may find that the noise from the pump, although noticeable isn't really an issue for you. Looking forward to seeing what you can do. Grow on, GreatLakes THC __________________ Reggae Makossa Groovin' Last edited by GreatLakes THC; 04-03-2004 at 12:11 AM..
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03-03-2004, 01:55 AM	#3
Cajun Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 29	Thanks Thanks GreatLakes THC! Yes, I tried to do my homework before getting going. I'm still letting the moms veg... True that smoke is great, I have some from last run in single dwc under the 250. yep, I have never run a pump this big before so I don't know what to expect. It puts off a good bit of noise on a "Dry Run" with no hoses! I can't imagine the fountain pump makes any noise at all. Have you ever heard anything of using the soda bottle as a muffler or is that a myth? Sounds good in theory! What about ozone & carbon scrubbers? Thanks man, I'll keep the updates coming. Peace, Cajun
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03-03-2004, 11:12 PM	#4
GreatLakes THC an Arthur P. Jacobs production Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Where the Neons turn to Woods Posts: 3,219	Soda Bottle Muffler Sorry that I can't help you on the Soda Bottle Idea. I haven't heard of it before, but then sometimes no news is good news. I don't really have to worry about noise where I'm at, but growers can come up with some pretty ingenious and economical ways to fix issues. You should be able to find something that will work for you either on this site or some of the other forums around the net. Good luck. I'll be watchin, GreatLakes THC __________________ Reggae Makossa Groovin' Last edited by GreatLakes THC; 04-03-2004 at 12:08 AM..
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03-13-2004, 07:12 AM	#5
GreatLakes THC an Arthur P. Jacobs production Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Where the Neons turn to Woods Posts: 3,219	Cajun, how's the grow coming along? Got any updates for us? GreatLakes THC __________________ Reggae Makossa Groovin' Last edited by GreatLakes THC; 04-02-2004 at 11:56 PM..
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03-22-2004, 02:11 PM	#6
sweetgreendream Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 125	Soda bottle pump muffler I have never tried this but there are several posts on OG by people who claim it is the real deal. Noise is not that big an issue for me except the humming of my ballasts. hth,,sgd
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03-22-2004, 05:51 PM	#7
Forty-Six & 2 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the stairs at Grandma's Posts: 35	Sweet setup man. You're guaranteed to produce some serious monsters in there. DWC, as you probably already know, creates fast, vigorous growth and stunning yields. You're sure to be happy. As far as the ozone goes, you might want to reconsider putting an ozone generator in there with your plants. The stuff can be very harmful to people and plants, and plants can even suffer damage from being exposed to too much of it. How much can they take? I really don't know, I just know that too much can hurt them and that the stuff isn't too healthy for us humans either as it's a lung irritant. If you have a carbon air scrubber in there, I don't think you'll have too much use for ozone as that should control the odor nicely. If your current scrubber still doesn't do the trick, then maybe a bigger scrubber and fan might be a better idea. I've used ozone in the past myself, an Air Tiger model, and so I can attest to the fact that it does hurt your lungs. You must be very careful with it. I personally have decided not to use it anymore as I have pets and don't want to hurt them or get emphezyma at an early age. Some people will swear by it, and it DOES work, but it's just kinda iffy and needs to be regulated properly to insure one's safety. About when to throw your plants into flower. It looks like you've got limitless vertical room in with your setup, and you also have a decent amount of light that is going to be pounding down on your babies. You have the light, the room, and the setup to grow huge plants, so personally I'd let them get bigger than 8 inches before flowering them. I'd grow them to at least a foot in veg before changing the light cycle, but that's just me. Either way, you're going to have some serious nugs on your hands. Good luck and stay safe. Forty __________________ "See this? This is this. This ain't something else. This is this. From now on, you're on your own."
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03-24-2004, 03:55 AM	#8
Cajun Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 29	GreatLakes THC, I just have the 2 mothers just staying alive under a cfl for right now. I am waiting to get my ventilation / odor control finished before diving in again. Sorry no excitement yet. It will probably be sometime yet before I get underway. I'll post here when something does happen. Besides, right now I'm still enjoying my last harvest! Forty-Six & 2, Thanks for the input. Thanks for the heads up about the ozone. I have the system in a room off my garage. I'd put the ozone generator in the garage on a timer do you think that would stil be harmful? I really have to have the odor issue solved before I fire up again. I plan on getting a 413 cfm can filter & fan combo and run that exhausting the room with the ozone in garage and passive intake under the door. What do you think, will this work or do you advise different? Yep, I have the space to grow large plants but the range of "good" intense light is only about a foot or so I've been told. Don't the buds need the most intense light to bulk up? I'll let them go to about a foot in veg if you think th elight won't be a problem. Peace, Cajun
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03-31-2004, 04:01 PM	#9
seeyouaunty Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 144	I'm just confirming that the soda bottle trick works really well for making the airpumps and airstones much quieter. As long as you get it airtight you shouldn't lose any power. I'm not sure on what your plans are, but the easiest way is to drill two holes in the soda bottle lid one size smaller than your airline tubing. If you have a carbon scrubber you don't need the ozone unit IMO. The carbon filter will remove the ozone from the air, which will shorten the lifespan a little before you need to replace the carbon. If you have a really stinky strain going and the carbon filter isn't quite doing the job then obviously use the ozone as well. Good growing to you.
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04-03-2004, 09:10 AM	#10
222Simon222 Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3	Net Pot Lids Hey, where did you get those Net Pot Lids that you talked about?
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