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diggity-dank · 12-09-2004, 03:07 AM

ok well my babies are about 2 weeks old now.. just recently it looks like they are a little sick. I tried flushing the whole bucket last night and today they arent looking any better.. possibly worse. heres the deal...

they started fine and were looking nice and green. now all the new growth just doesnt look right. I tried changing the water and added some nutrients. Im using the GH floranova nutrients. The water is totally cloudy and looks disgusting today, not sure what is causing that.

im kinda a hydro newbie. i had one succesful grow and then took a little time off while i moved, and now having issues again. I dont have a pH meter and didnt have one the first time either. Everything went great last grow without it. I just dont have any idea where to start or what to do. any tips/suggestions? :(

heres a couple pics..

mybeans420 · 12-09-2004, 03:29 AM

i dont grow hydro but one thought does come to mind.
could it be that there is a significant difference in the water quality of your old place and this one?
perhaps it's time you invest in some meters.

diggity-dank · 12-09-2004, 03:30 AM

i do have a tds meter and just tested my water here.. it came up to 380ppm! a lot higher than my old place.. maybe thats my problem? maybe i need to stick with soil :(

12-09-2004, 04:01 AM

When your tap water is 380 ppm, I'd say that it is a problem. But, that doesn't necessarily explain why your res is cloudy. My advice is to approach the problem scientifically.

1) Eliminate your water problem by using reverse osmosis water or buy an RO unit. Four-stage 50 gallon/day units can be purchased relatively cheaply for around $200 on many sites, one of which is https://www.waterfiltersonline.com/re...is-systems.asp

2) If that doesn't help, I'd suggest making sure your system is lightproof, sterile (unless you are using bio-buckets), and there are no dead spots. Also consider lack of dissolved oxygen. Algae and nasty bacteria require anaeorbic (lack of oxygen) environments to grow, this situation not only makes it more difficult for your plants to grow but also provides excellent conditions for the growth of organisms that encourage root rot and cause res water to turn "slimy" and foul smelling.

More info as to your hydro method would be more helpful, such as are you using DWC? If so, how are you oxygenating the nutrient solution? Do your roots still look healthy, or are they brown and slimy? What are your nutrient levels? If you aren't running bio-buckets, pH may be an issue as well. You can pick up cheap, but somewhat inaccurate pH testers online or most home and garden stores and also try medical or chemical supply shops. This will give you an idea of your pH. Tell them you have a small fish pond and are having trouble with dead fish, you want to test for acidity of the water.

Hope this helps, good luck.

12-09-2004, 04:03 AM

If your tap water is coming out at 380ppm you can bet the PH is out of whack as well. If you search on ebay, they have some PH meters for 20 bucks. You could also pick up the drops for like 5 bucks, they aren't as precise but are better than nothing.

They don't look over-fertilized at this point, so if there is interveinal discoloring or rusting and general yellowing this might be a nute deficiency. Maybe try adjusting/increasing the nute regimen.

You can always fill up some bottles at the grocery store water machines to get 0 PPM Reverse Osmosis water which usually has a PH around 6. This would buy you some time until you can get a meter. Plants absolutely love it!

good luck! :smile:

diggity-dank · 12-09-2004, 04:10 AM

yeah im guessing this whole hard water thing is gonna be my problem..

i dont have the funds right now to get an RO filter and i cant go buy 20 gallons of RO water hoping that would work.. im thinking maybe i should just do a soil run, save up a few bucks, then get an RO filter..

ntstephenson: yeah im using DWC for my hydro method.. and the container isnt totally light proof. I have 2 big air stones and 2 of the small ones in the 20 gallon bucket.

thanks for the quick replies guys!

12-09-2004, 04:19 AM

If you are using the same method of oxygenating your nutes and everything else is the same, I would have to lean toward water quality. I'm still not sure that anything in your tapwater would cause a cloudy res, but your tapwater situation definately isn't ideal. Perhaps switching to soil until you have funds for an RO unit isn't a bad idea.

Wish I could have come up with a more appealing answer...

mybeans420 · 12-09-2004, 06:14 AM

you can get decent 100gpd ro units on ebay for around $100.

Hooked-On-Grown · 12-09-2004, 06:26 AM

man ....now I know what SoQuick meant by "you guys make my job easy"

LOL!! I think the fellows above have covered it.

buzzerd · 12-09-2004, 10:14 AM

hey guys wait up .... ok 2 weeks old they look fine stretching for the light a little, ok my 2 cents get your ph under control first get a test kit vial and droper type match the color to the chart that comes with it .
2nd the flora nova is mud i mean serious mud,the water is 10x as bad then using gh micro so i know what your saying looks something like this right

i did'nt use pens and meters either till now almost impossible to check your pH

i started these out just like you in tubs here they are at 19 days

and here they are last sat

if you never checked your ph before i think you got lucky for a first time mo is that if your going to grow good strains you need to take issue with that ..

at what strenght are you mixing to do you have the flora nova nueutrient chart? if not here it is

1 more thing to suggest is to take your tub and measure exactly how much water your using for a full tub, no guess work here you need to know for your correct mix although you have a TDS, you still need to do a ph before and after, with the FN i mix it to the buckets and let it run for at least an hr to get a good read on it because it's so muddy

12-09-2004, 03:07 AM	#1
diggity-dank Doobie Doctor Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 198	plants color doesnt look right... ok well my babies are about 2 weeks old now.. just recently it looks like they are a little sick. I tried flushing the whole bucket last night and today they arent looking any better.. possibly worse. heres the deal... they started fine and were looking nice and green. now all the new growth just doesnt look right. I tried changing the water and added some nutrients. Im using the GH floranova nutrients. The water is totally cloudy and looks disgusting today, not sure what is causing that. im kinda a hydro newbie. i had one succesful grow and then took a little time off while i moved, and now having issues again. I dont have a pH meter and didnt have one the first time either. Everything went great last grow without it. I just dont have any idea where to start or what to do. any tips/suggestions? :( heres a couple pics..
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12-09-2004, 03:29 AM	#2
mybeans420 resident slackass Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere that has a pool table Posts: 1,053	i dont grow hydro but one thought does come to mind. could it be that there is a significant difference in the water quality of your old place and this one? perhaps it's time you invest in some meters. __________________ "POWER TO THE PEACEFUL" micheal franti LET LOVE GUIDE YOU LEAVE YOUR CLOWNSHOES AND YOUR NEGATIVITY AT THE DOOR PLEASE.. THANK YOU "The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921 "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President. 18 Dec. 1840 PLEASE don't PM me for seeds or cuts,.. Thank you
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12-09-2004, 03:30 AM	#3
diggity-dank Doobie Doctor Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 198	i do have a tds meter and just tested my water here.. it came up to 380ppm! a lot higher than my old place.. maybe thats my problem? maybe i need to stick with soil :(
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12-09-2004, 04:01 AM	#4
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	When your tap water is 380 ppm, I'd say that it is a problem. But, that doesn't necessarily explain why your res is cloudy. My advice is to approach the problem scientifically. 1) Eliminate your water problem by using reverse osmosis water or buy an RO unit. Four-stage 50 gallon/day units can be purchased relatively cheaply for around $200 on many sites, one of which is https://www.waterfiltersonline.com/re...is-systems.asp 2) If that doesn't help, I'd suggest making sure your system is lightproof, sterile (unless you are using bio-buckets), and there are no dead spots. Also consider lack of dissolved oxygen. Algae and nasty bacteria require anaeorbic (lack of oxygen) environments to grow, this situation not only makes it more difficult for your plants to grow but also provides excellent conditions for the growth of organisms that encourage root rot and cause res water to turn "slimy" and foul smelling. More info as to your hydro method would be more helpful, such as are you using DWC? If so, how are you oxygenating the nutrient solution? Do your roots still look healthy, or are they brown and slimy? What are your nutrient levels? If you aren't running bio-buckets, pH may be an issue as well. You can pick up cheap, but somewhat inaccurate pH testers online or most home and garden stores and also try medical or chemical supply shops. This will give you an idea of your pH. Tell them you have a small fish pond and are having trouble with dead fish, you want to test for acidity of the water. Hope this helps, good luck.
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12-09-2004, 04:03 AM	#5
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	If your tap water is coming out at 380ppm you can bet the PH is out of whack as well. If you search on ebay, they have some PH meters for 20 bucks. You could also pick up the drops for like 5 bucks, they aren't as precise but are better than nothing. They don't look over-fertilized at this point, so if there is interveinal discoloring or rusting and general yellowing this might be a nute deficiency. Maybe try adjusting/increasing the nute regimen. You can always fill up some bottles at the grocery store water machines to get 0 PPM Reverse Osmosis water which usually has a PH around 6. This would buy you some time until you can get a meter. Plants absolutely love it! good luck! :smile:
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12-09-2004, 04:10 AM	#6
diggity-dank Doobie Doctor Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 198	yeah im guessing this whole hard water thing is gonna be my problem.. i dont have the funds right now to get an RO filter and i cant go buy 20 gallons of RO water hoping that would work.. im thinking maybe i should just do a soil run, save up a few bucks, then get an RO filter.. ntstephenson: yeah im using DWC for my hydro method.. and the container isnt totally light proof. I have 2 big air stones and 2 of the small ones in the 20 gallon bucket. thanks for the quick replies guys!
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12-09-2004, 04:19 AM	#7
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	If you are using the same method of oxygenating your nutes and everything else is the same, I would have to lean toward water quality. I'm still not sure that anything in your tapwater would cause a cloudy res, but your tapwater situation definately isn't ideal. Perhaps switching to soil until you have funds for an RO unit isn't a bad idea. Wish I could have come up with a more appealing answer...
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12-09-2004, 06:14 AM	#8
mybeans420 resident slackass Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere that has a pool table Posts: 1,053	you can get decent 100gpd ro units on ebay for around $100. __________________ "POWER TO THE PEACEFUL" micheal franti LET LOVE GUIDE YOU LEAVE YOUR CLOWNSHOES AND YOUR NEGATIVITY AT THE DOOR PLEASE.. THANK YOU "The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921 "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President. 18 Dec. 1840 PLEASE don't PM me for seeds or cuts,.. Thank you
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12-09-2004, 06:26 AM	#9
Hooked-On-Grown Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm in here.....somewhere... Posts: 2,158	man ....now I know what SoQuick meant by "you guys make my job easy" LOL!! I think the fellows above have covered it.
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12-09-2004, 10:14 AM	#10
buzzerd Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: cali Posts: 233	hey guys wait up .... ok 2 weeks old they look fine stretching for the light a little, ok my 2 cents get your ph under control first get a test kit vial and droper type match the color to the chart that comes with it . 2nd the flora nova is mud i mean serious mud,the water is 10x as bad then using gh micro so i know what your saying looks something like this right i did'nt use pens and meters either till now almost impossible to check your pH i started these out just like you in tubs here they are at 19 days and here they are last sat if you never checked your ph before i think you got lucky for a first time mo is that if your going to grow good strains you need to take issue with that .. at what strenght are you mixing to do you have the flora nova nueutrient chart? if not here it is 1 more thing to suggest is to take your tub and measure exactly how much water your using for a full tub, no guess work here you need to know for your correct mix although you have a TDS, you still need to do a ph before and after, with the FN i mix it to the buckets and let it run for at least an hr to get a good read on it because it's so muddy
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