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budvapor · 11-14-2007, 10:38 PM

greetings everyone!

i read an article in december's high times about thc-ministry. i looked it up, and i found it compelling. i don't believe in anything supernatural, but there is no denying that we live in a realm of information beyond the physical. our memories transcend the atoms that hold them. it seems appropriate to call this the spiritual realm.

there is also no denying that consuming cannabis is a spiritual experience. i won't go into many details of describing that experience since many have done so already. having been raised in church as a kid, having had religious experiences, i can say with confidence that the experiences overlap.

so all of the sudden i find myself matching the description of a religious person whose sacrament is cannabis. and probably all of you can as well.

so from there, it seems perfectly reasonable to associate with a religion such as THC ministry, in all sincerity. and there is probably no easier option than to join that denomination.

my question is, from there, what are the chances of being successful in using this as a defense for growing for personal consumption? (no reselling!)

i'm skeptical by nature, and i wonder if thc ministry is not just a clever way for the founder to make some dough. certainly there are testimonials, hopefully truthful, although that remains to be verified from my perspective, and it seems that most of those testimonials are from people in hawaii, where cannabis is much better accepted even tolerated than most other places.

i searched the forums and found a couple of threads on the topic:

this one is almost a year old. and i believe the guy got busted because he was selling.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...t=thc-ministry

this one is from earlier this year and has limited information.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...t=thc-ministry

so i turn to our collective wisdom at ICMAG. what do you guys think? anyone else has thoughts on the topic? any other testimonials?

keep in mind, the scenario is growing a small number of plants (let's say under 12) for personal consumption as a religious sacrament (which is just a way to say that it helps you connect with your spiritual side).

thanks!

Moleculist · 11-15-2007, 05:07 AM

I believe it was the guy from THC Ministry that I am thinking of.
If so, he was arrested a while back and I recall that his sacrament defense was thrown out. I can probably dig up a news article on this if you want.

budvapor · 11-15-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Moleculist

I believe it was the guy from THC Ministry that I am thinking of.
If so, he was arrested a while back and I recall that his sacrament defense was thrown out. I can probably dig up a news article on this if you want.

moleculist: that would be great, thanks!

Tactik · 12-09-2007, 07:34 PM

bumping this because I've also just found out about the THC Ministry and have found myself agreeing with what they have to say.

I have the same issue with it as you, budvapor. The religion defense works in theory, but our "rights" and "freedoms" get trampled all over every single day, so it seems possible that this could turn into another case of that :(

I have been in contact with a member of the THC Ministry in my area and she gave me her email, but hasn't gotten back to me yet.

Harry Gypsna · 12-10-2007, 11:03 AM

we had a thread about this aboiut 3 years ago..... its no help at all was the general consensus...
That thread is where my screenname came from actually..... someone asked if gypsy started a religion what wopuld it be called lol.....

budvapor · 12-10-2007, 04:43 PM

thanks all for the comments! i hoped we'd get at least one or two people here having used that as a defense, successfully or not. disappointing but far from surprising. i remain optimistic, although it will probably still take decades for the majority of people to see beyond government propaganda and for laws to evolve accordingly...

tempes~tos · 12-14-2007, 07:57 PM

i think your best bet is to move to a med state and get a medical card. at this point i think its the only defense that works.

Mr. M. Yass · 12-14-2007, 08:32 PM

I think this guy is going to jail, he definitely got shit on during his court case.

shiva das · 12-14-2007, 09:04 PM

didn't soma use that as his defence. and didn't he get off???!!!

I'm pretty sure of it, cause I thought,,,,wow, this is the first time i've heard of that. I think that was the first....but it was in netherlands...

The US says that because it is not part, or never was part, of " our histroy, our culture" that the consitution doesn't imply.
What ever that is suppose to ****ing mean. But that is why u can't use it as a defence in the states.

12-15-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shiva das

didn't soma use that as his defence. and didn't he get off???!!!

I'm pretty sure of it, cause I thought,,,,wow, this is the first time i've heard of that. I think that was the first....but it was in netherlands...

The US says that because it is not part, or never was part, of " our histroy, our culture" that the consitution doesn't imply.
What ever that is suppose to ****ing mean. But that is why u can't use it as a defence in the states.

You can use religion as a defense in the U.S.A because of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act BUT you have to prove that you are sincere in your beliefs and in my opinion calling a religion something related to cannabis is not going to be taken seriously.

You should study eastern religions and take them seriously because these religions are known to use cannabis and they have been around for thousands of years. Peace.

https://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/...marijuana_case

Marijuana: Judge Throws Out Religious Defense in Arizona Marijuana Case, Says Defendants Lack "Sincere" Belief

11-14-2007, 10:38 PM	#1
budvapor Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 164	religious defense/thc-ministry.org greetings everyone! i read an article in december's high times about thc-ministry. i looked it up, and i found it compelling. i don't believe in anything supernatural, but there is no denying that we live in a realm of information beyond the physical. our memories transcend the atoms that hold them. it seems appropriate to call this the spiritual realm. there is also no denying that consuming cannabis is a spiritual experience. i won't go into many details of describing that experience since many have done so already. having been raised in church as a kid, having had religious experiences, i can say with confidence that the experiences overlap. so all of the sudden i find myself matching the description of a religious person whose sacrament is cannabis. and probably all of you can as well. so from there, it seems perfectly reasonable to associate with a religion such as THC ministry, in all sincerity. and there is probably no easier option than to join that denomination. my question is, from there, what are the chances of being successful in using this as a defense for growing for personal consumption? (no reselling!) i'm skeptical by nature, and i wonder if thc ministry is not just a clever way for the founder to make some dough. certainly there are testimonials, hopefully truthful, although that remains to be verified from my perspective, and it seems that most of those testimonials are from people in hawaii, where cannabis is much better accepted even tolerated than most other places. i searched the forums and found a couple of threads on the topic: this one is almost a year old. and i believe the guy got busted because he was selling. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...t=thc-ministry this one is from earlier this year and has limited information. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...t=thc-ministry so i turn to our collective wisdom at ICMAG. what do you guys think? anyone else has thoughts on the topic? any other testimonials? keep in mind, the scenario is growing a small number of plants (let's say under 12) for personal consumption as a religious sacrament (which is just a way to say that it helps you connect with your spiritual side). thanks!
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12-09-2007, 07:34 PM	#4
Tactik Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 63	bumping this because I've also just found out about the THC Ministry and have found myself agreeing with what they have to say. I have the same issue with it as you, budvapor. The religion defense works in theory, but our "rights" and "freedoms" get trampled all over every single day, so it seems possible that this could turn into another case of that :( I have been in contact with a member of the THC Ministry in my area and she gave me her email, but hasn't gotten back to me yet. __________________ Judge said "Son, this gonna cost you some time" Dupree said "Judge, you know that crossed my mind" Judge said "Fact it's gonna cost you your life" Dupree said "Judge, you know that seems to me to be about right"
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12-10-2007, 11:03 AM	#5
Harry Gypsna Dirty hippy Bastard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Outside BodyShop, with a Tin Whistle and a dog on a piece of string Posts: 8,157	we had a thread about this aboiut 3 years ago..... its no help at all was the general consensus... That thread is where my screenname came from actually..... someone asked if gypsy started a religion what wopuld it be called lol..... __________________ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and none of these people are very funny.
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11-15-2007, 05:07 AM	#2
Moleculist Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 129	I believe it was the guy from THC Ministry that I am thinking of. If so, he was arrested a while back and I recall that his sacrament defense was thrown out. I can probably dig up a news article on this if you want.
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12-10-2007, 04:43 PM	#6
budvapor Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 164	thanks all for the comments! i hoped we'd get at least one or two people here having used that as a defense, successfully or not. disappointing but far from surprising. i remain optimistic, although it will probably still take decades for the majority of people to see beyond government propaganda and for laws to evolve accordingly...
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12-14-2007, 07:57 PM	#7
tempes~tos Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Agartha Posts: 118	i think your best bet is to move to a med state and get a medical card. at this point i think its the only defense that works.
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12-14-2007, 08:32 PM	#8
Mr. M. Yass Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24	I think this guy is going to jail, he definitely got shit on during his court case.
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12-14-2007, 09:04 PM	#9
shiva das Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 246	didn't soma use that as his defence. and didn't he get off???!!! I'm pretty sure of it, cause I thought,,,,wow, this is the first time i've heard of that. I think that was the first....but it was in netherlands... The US says that because it is not part, or never was part, of " our histroy, our culture" that the consitution doesn't imply. What ever that is suppose to ****ing mean. But that is why u can't use it as a defence in the states.
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