[Kenny Lingus]

This thread is a little cry for help to anyone having managed a lump-free solution of the aforementioned AN products in the 2+ show.

It's obviously not just easy to have success with AN products because there is frequent clogging of lines and pH-flux, even whit a non-recycled solution.



Here's my story:

Base nutes:

Monkey Juice A+B
Mother Earth Super Tea Bloom

Additives:
Big Bud
Overdrive
Carbo Load
Sensizym
Organic-B
Sweet Leaf

GHE Diamond Nectar Fulvic Acid


Inoculating of coco slabs is done with a dunking solution of 0,6gr/L of Piranha and Tarantula, plus5-8ml/L of Voodoo Juice a few times during the first week(s) that clones are in the slabs. (Could probably just add Voodoo Juice to the res also, but I would use a weaker dilution fed through week 2 of bloom then.)


I have 3 potted plants going ahead of the slabs to test the AN-regime a little by hand before the main crop gets automated. (I even have control plaants running on canna at same pH and EC! )

-So far my Advanced story is very fine all the way up to week 3 of bloom... Lusher than the cannas and also a tid bit faster flowering like 1-2days.
But now into week 3 it's getting tougher to favor AN. When I add Big Bud at 2,5ml/L and the ec hit 1,4-1,5 and settle the pH it's fine for a couple of days. But suddenly I get pH rise and floaters in the tank after about 2days. (I used airstone and it foamed up the res within hours, but as I added a ball of capillary matting, lava rocks and vermiculite and the foam dispersed soon).
Plants look fine still, but I will measure run-off and see if it is alright or not.
At this same time my canna res is crystal clear and pH never adjusted. (No airstones or circulation except for by hand at feed time.)

If anyone has help to offer I would be happy having it compiled in this thread for all members to see.

PS! The grow and comparison project will be published in Coco Forum here and Hydro Forum at the "uk 420-site"

Mollasses, guano, seeweed or PBP and Liquid Karma. Less money better products. Look how many products they have you buying to grow with.

Originally Posted by Azeotrope

Mollasses, guano, seeweed or PBP and Liquid Karma. Less money better products. Look how many products they have you buying to grow with.

now that would bea ****ed ph nightmare.....in coco unless in soil.or peat perlite


first off dont listen to assholetrop

an products are great when some one tells you the proper ones to use LOL ..........unless you gonna mix then feed right away a rez of guono .sugars benificals are gonna cause a ph nightmare no matter what

and not for your style at all.......thats a losing plan

you should have just went the monkey juice,bigbud,overdrive,carbloa d .

no mother earth tea in rez .......no beneficial needed in dwc hydro rez or coco slabs.....

your problem is you have now created a ph nightmare with beneficials and organic matter decomposing in your rez .......and slabs

would have been the same if you used foxfarms bigbloom and gh subcultutre.
no matter what ph nightmare for hydro.slabs and rez


with all companys you need to research what products should and Should NOT be used with certain styles and hydroponics .and coco top feeds....

before you jamma ton of shit down your plants .....liquidkarma is the bombdigity

[Kenny Lingus]

-molasses is not the same as carbo or sweetleaf, and I find it tuff to keep fine for any length of time above 3days... Don't wanna use it in my drip system again, but I use some in soil. (Guano, molasses, ewc, kelp/b/b meals, chicken shit, woodash , coco, and water is excellent if on a budget and not living in the same area or growing in a living zone or appartment. -Unless it's just a tiny cupboard of 2-6 small plants)

-Anyway, it wasn't in my mind to save a lot of money that I went with Advanced Nutrients, but in the long run the nutes won't cost to much anyway. (Some things will last and last for 1-2years.)

I'd have to pay assloads to get those items you mentioned sent (risking stealkth, etc....)

I've had the Mother Earth Tea in my res with Canna Coco and never experienced troubles, so I'll stick to it for now... (Even used the Bacterias and voodoo too, but didn't like it as the EC/pH got messed up)
I just inoculate the slabs/medium with it 1-2 times per week in the start.


Anyway I've found a way to keep it pretty fine... (just hard to keep the pH in the first 2 weeks (too low nute levels to really buffer, and I can never go to high anyways because I grow in very dry air ATM.)
It may also be the MJ Bloom B my hydrostore carries is bad as it has some gritty residue at the bottom... -but it grow excellent plants that actually seem healthier than my canna fed ones.

The way I had it work was with less mixing/pump action, besides for when I actually mix up the solution. Then I will blend it thoroughly between every ingredient I add.

I also take care to use warm water to dissolve the chunkier formulas before adding and mix in the nutes in a specific order.


A + B - BigBud - Carbo Load, Mother Earth Tea - Barricade - (Adjust EC and pH) - Fulvic/Diamond Nectar, Sensizym, Sweet Leaf

A daily blending/stirring with pumps will keep this solution fine for a good week. (Now I'm going into Overdrive-mode and hope I'll fix this too...)


PS!
Just to confirm the fact that a simple res is the easiest and most stable, I must admit that the time I had least worries I used just Canna Coco A+B, Rhizotonic and Bio-/Cannaboost (adding Cannazym at 4-10 ml/L only after 2/3-3/4 of it where used)

My water source is pH 6,3 @ EC 0,0 (tap water)
>extremely soft water

i also had problems with the carbo load and bigbud when used with cana nutes ,,so i just ditched them and went back to canna ,,no problems with canna

[wreckMEplease]

i just purchased overdrive and big bud. Sounds like there is some confusion over these products. What is the proper application amounts and times to add these ammendments???

[Kenny Lingus]

Big Bud is different, but it seem to be fine using the OD as recommended:

Heres a rough make up that I could use for most of my strains:


Week 1: base nutes EC 1,0

Week 2: Base nutes EC 1,0 and add Big Bud to reach level 1,2

Week 3: base nutes EC 1,0 and add Big Bud to EC 1,3

Week 4: base nutes EC 1,0 add Big Bud to EC 1,5

Week 5: base nutes EC 1,0 add Big Bud to EC 1,5

Week 6: 2,5-3,0ml/l of Overdrive (EC 0,5-0,6) then add base nutes to reach EC 1,2

Week 7: 1,5-2.0ml of Overdrive (EC 0,3-0,4), add base nutes to EC 0,8-1,0

Week 8: Water! Flushing agent if inert hydro medium is used or mix of enzymes and fulvic/humic if planning to reuse soil/peat/coir mixes.


PS! If your strains run longer/shorter then 8 weeks just add an extra week 4/5 and extend the profiles peak for as long as needed.

I prefe starting at a pH of 5,3 and if it drifts up to 6,3 over the week I'll just let it. (Dunno if it's wise, but it seem to work very well and some gardeners believe the drift will ensure the plants needs are fulfilled!

[toohighmf]

the minute you start playin w beneficials in a hydro-environment, is the minute your going to start clogging lines, building up crap in your rez and experience the PH war..

Big bud and overdrive, as well as voodoo juice are great products. monkey juice is just Sensi A&B w SensiCALmg added to it as coco retains alot of mg. I would use 3 part or connoisseur w Calmg, big bud, and overdrive. flush with carbs.
I use barricade as well to raise my PH, but it must stabilize in the rez before fertigating.

GUANO??? um, a cancer causing respritory nightmare.. but plants bloom with it.
dont think Im too interested in smoking poo..
Mollasses.. sure.. in soil it makes a nice carbohydrate. in a drip system. I dont think so.. I wouldnt use it til the end of the cycle either. nor would I Use carboload til the end as well. I will also use it to feed the voodoo juice in the very begining.
Definately Liquid Karma over humic and fulvic. its too easy, and seaweed extract if your going to use inferior salt ferts like monkey juice. stay away from the MJ! monkey juice that is!

Can Liquid Karma be used effectively as a replacement for ANs Humic/Fulvic in soil/soiless toohigh, and as frequently?

[toohighmf]

definately.