Hey everybody(Shanti especially), I was hoping someone could fill me on on how stable the Critical Mass is, and some of the background behind the genetics. It is a Skunk #1 x Afghani, yes?

The reason I ask, is I would like to throw some CM pollen on some lower yielding nut extremely tasty strains I have in my little collection, namely Blue Moonshine, Purple Erkle, and a San Fernando Valley Kush.

I am expecting to have to search for a good mother from the seed batch, but I thought someone might be able to give me an idea of what could pop up on the CM end.

Has anyone done any breeding with the CM? Or attempted?

[filimagno]

HI MAN ...i've experienced lot of double trouble with some critical mass and i suggest you to consider these 3 points:

- it produce a very dense and compct buds with heavy mass who weight so much ,but in parallel she have the tendence to produce mold(also with a great ventilation) in the trunk especially in the lower buds.
so you have to choose more males and you must to test the progenies to prevent these issues about fungi or mold...and select only the mold free ones
- if we talk about yield per plant i prefer without doubt the SPICE from shanti...who carry one of the best aroma (better than shit or critical mass or other superskunks)i've ever experienced ...plus she have a very good pattern of growth compared to the CM who remain so lower about the stretch,while the shit have a good form and produce big columns amazing buds ....bigger for sure than the CriticalMass ones.

ps...the spice is an hawaian who smell of a wonderful cherry-berry and spiced aroma...and she's very resistent to the molds!!!

Well, I only have a CM clone from a club here in Cali. Nice cut for sure. No mold problems other then some late in flower botrytus which was small enough of a problem to be tolerable. No probs outdoors where I am at due to 15%-40% humidity all the way through flower.

I am going to hermi one of the cuts from a mother for the pollen, then use that on the other strains I was talking about.

I just have little idea of what might be hiding in those undeveloped genes of this cut, and thought maybe I might look for something that didn't show up in the genotype.

I'll look into that spice though for sure. If my little femmi seed proj doesn't work out, then I was planning on buying some seeds for yield. I have access to alot of wonderful cali clone only strains, but yielders are more of a rarity with all the purple clone only's and kush's round here.

I should let it be known too if I wasn't clear before that I'm looking to search through a grip of these femmi seeds to find a good clone mom, and go no further with the breeding. I don't know if that makes a difference really, but from what I understand your genetic variation gets further away as you continue on your project.

[bobblehead]

When are you starting your project? I just bought a pack of CM, w/ 15 seeds. I'm guessing 1 or 2 might end up being males.... just saying...

[fjällhöga]

if you self the clone , you will have a multitude of phenotypes ... , S1´s share the same phenotypic expressions like f2´s ...

Fj

That's why I started the thread. I know other stuff may pop out of the Critical Mass, but I am wondering what to look for in the crosses that maybe CM traits I haven't seen in the clone.

Would you get as many variations with an S1 as an F2 though? I mean, if the mother of the S1 only had genes for say..purple and blue buds, and, then you could only get purple and blue buds. You have an F2 now, and there parents had genes for green, yellow, pink, and red buds. Now, one kid got the pink and yellow, and the other the green and red. If you F2'ed them, then you would have all 4 back in the mix, but if you S'ed wither one of those, you would only have 1/2 the chances.

Anyways, I know you would get variation due to phenetic and genetic expression but not genetic variation, but is it more complicated? The same letters spellimh different words so to speak from S's

DOG - GOD
BUD - DUB

LOL-LOL

[fjällhöga]

S1 seeds are not an exact copy of the parent. They have the same random pairing of genes as every other genetic pairing; the only way you would get an exact copy is if the male and female halves of the same chromosomes got together. Since recessives are very likely to be reinforced in an S1 pairing, you will get some interesting variants.

S1 seeds are usually female when grown out, but a small number will end up male.

excerpt from the breeder´s lab ... thx ambre ...

Fj

[shantibaba]

Hi all

I suggest you check out the following link to the real home page of this strain...https://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=17

all the best with the project Sb

Shanti Master!

I saw that the Dinafem Seeds has a strain what origins from your CRITICAL MASS clone what is the cup winner in the Hydro Category of the 2007 Cannabis Cup in Barcelona.

Do you know anything about this new feminised strain? Is it similar to your CM?

Did the Dinafem said anything about that they will feminised your strain?

I had great experiences with your CM so I think I'll stay with the original Mr. Nice Critical Mass.

peace, NG