synthetic with organic - Growing in Coco Coir - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

smurfin'herb · 07-17-2007, 02:55 AM

this may sound stupid, but if you use chemical nutrients does that mean that you cant use any liquid organic supplements? I use canna coco nutes and i wanna add some chelates like fulvic and humic acid because i have been having some big ph swings and i know advanced uses edta chelates for their formula because of the instability and that results in a benefit for the growers cuz not only does the edta keep the formula in swing but it keeps your ph in swing and helps your plants deal with the stress.

pumpkin2006 · 07-17-2007, 05:19 AM

Nutrients are nutrients, if they work then they work. Of course you can.

07-17-2007, 05:23 AM

There are at least 16 essential chemical elements for plant growth. Carbon (C), hydrogen (H), and oxygen (O), obtained from air and water, frequently are not included as ‘nutrient’ elements. Nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), sulfur (S), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), boron (B), molybdenum (Mo), and chlorine (Cl)

aeric · 07-17-2007, 02:43 PM

Good idea Smurfin. Of course they go quite well together. I use Advanced monkey juice as a base and organics like LK, PBPF soil, etc...in conjunction. Where mixing the 2 might be bad is if the 'chemical' nute somehow killed beneficial bacteria in your medium, but that is more likely to happen if not bubbling chlorine out of your water. High presence of salt based phosporous (example: PK 13/14 being overfed) can kill beneficials, so i hear.

'Salt-based' is a better term than 'chemical', but most of us know what you mean.

smurfin'herb · 07-17-2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainthor

There are at least 16 essential chemical elements for plant growth. Carbon (C), hydrogen (H), and oxygen (O), obtained from air and water, frequently are not included as ‘nutrient’ elements. Nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), sulfur (S), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), boron (B), molybdenum (Mo), and chlorine (Cl)

now im not trying to be a know it all or anything, but cant sodium and nickel be included as beneficials on that list? i thought i read that somewhere.

07-17-2007, 02:55 AM	#1
smurfin'herb Registered Cannabis User Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the canna world. Posts: 1,654	synthetic with organic this may sound stupid, but if you use chemical nutrients does that mean that you cant use any liquid organic supplements? I use canna coco nutes and i wanna add some chelates like fulvic and humic acid because i have been having some big ph swings and i know advanced uses edta chelates for their formula because of the instability and that results in a benefit for the growers cuz not only does the edta keep the formula in swing but it keeps your ph in swing and helps your plants deal with the stress.
	Quote

07-17-2007, 02:43 PM	#4
aeric Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,260	Good idea Smurfin. Of course they go quite well together. I use Advanced monkey juice as a base and organics like LK, PBPF soil, etc...in conjunction. Where mixing the 2 might be bad is if the 'chemical' nute somehow killed beneficial bacteria in your medium, but that is more likely to happen if not bubbling chlorine out of your water. High presence of salt based phosporous (example: PK 13/14 being overfed) can kill beneficials, so i hear. 'Salt-based' is a better term than 'chemical', but most of us know what you mean. __________________ everything is everything; what it is is what it is.. -c
	Quote

07-17-2007, 05:19 AM	#2
pumpkin2006 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 636	Nutrients are nutrients, if they work then they work. Of course you can.
	Quote

07-17-2007, 05:23 AM	#3
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	There are at least 16 essential chemical elements for plant growth. Carbon (C), hydrogen (H), and oxygen (O), obtained from air and water, frequently are not included as ‘nutrient’ elements. Nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), sulfur (S), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), boron (B), molybdenum (Mo), and chlorine (Cl)
	Quote