[Julian]

For those who own and are able to purchase property(ies), it could also be included and a reminder to take ones hobby and skill into consideration also when contemplating a move or a purchase.......such as something with more land, possibly father out, (better value, more privacy), and, inground pools are always a bonus also....(With very little effort and space, ones concerns with greater payments might be reduced when taking into consideration that minimal effort and yield may not only make up for the difference one is short, but possible far, far beyond that... ie: sure, might be 500-1000 a month greater than one desires, but, if one can pull in an extra 100k with minimal effort and exposure and time also......it does bring it all back into perspective.....Can be worked into landscaping, fence and treelines, sometimes even in semi urban areas...(Privacy fenced inground pools can provide astounding opportunities in itself I've done it...)

Of course, much has changed since previous discussions involving no money down and producing properties, but, this makes little difference, as, it is still possible in many ways and cases to get the same results and carry out same things.....(secure, purchase, utilize, repair, sell or hold)

[pumpkin2006]

Sorry, in ground pool? For forced flowering?

[Julian]

Not what I was referring to (was referring to later plantings, as said, worked into landscaping,fence and treelines.) and entirely possible (ingrounds for forceed situations.....I believe I have heard people do it, covers always in place...), but, controlling temps I think is the issue in such a situation......(heat would obviously be an issue when covered depending on region and season....Me? I love them too much to not have and use and empty..... Would rather have pool for summer than the op when other places....

a 20' x 40' pool privacy fenced at let's say 30' x 50' gives you a 160 feet (linear, perimeter), call it 3' deep and gives you almost 500 sq. ft.....behind a privacy fence (can also do outside fence if lot permits, privacy fenced and also out of view of any possible visitors to property (electric, gas)......do the math....even such minor projects produce what are fair numbers for most....

Case in point to pool issue above, (forcing), would seem like it could be easily done, but, then, your travel far away again from "no maintenance"...supplies,. daily labor, etc.......In the ground (plants) ideal whenever possible and that in itself cuts down incredible amounts of work and maintenance...

Just be careful with how much water crystals you use they expand and make your medium harder so your roots have a harder time to get deep into the earth where there is more moisture and could be more benificial for your plant's in the long run. Hi Julian buddy thanks for all the great advice.

[BakedBeans]

Nice thread Julian.

I do have a question though. 1000 plants must take an awful lot of trimming and processing as outdoor bud can be huge and unruly. Care to share any thoughts on the process? I assume dedicated teams at many locations, but how do you build that network and trust it?

How do you transport OUT?


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[Julian]

Originally Posted by BakedBeans

Nice thread Julian.

Not my thread really, just continuing another with different angle (outdoor)...

I do have a question though. 1000 plants must take an awful lot of trimming and processing as outdoor bud can be huge and unruly. Care to share any thoughts on the process? I assume dedicated teams at many locations, but how do you build that network and trust it?

How do you transport OUT?

Very good points.......and, I actually had some other stuff to add about site location and selection and reality.....

That is where the outdoor hang and dry comes into play, which I have done now for quite a while, in various regions, and almost always under conditions most claim is impossible (Who have never done it of course....)

So, out hang helps in many ways (this addresses process and logistics of transport) including moisture loss (weight, bulk....) helps with quality (outdoor hang is superior product compared to in dry), and also of course from my angle , addressing the above what really helps is I basically, in essence, don't even touch "the small stuff"....(ie: biggest best stuff first as that is where the weight is, and, actually, much, much faster to trim.....As in many can imagine, to trim a p of nice stuff (large, solid, etc), very, very quick..(I can do almost 2lbs + an hour myself with a pair of scissors), vs. of course that same hour for small stuff, well.........maybe take you 8?...10hrs?.....for a single lb?...My attention always goes straight to big stuff, small stuff goes into bubble piles, which are attended to (dried, cured, watched, no mold), and, later, before running the bubble, it's gone through and nicer things picked out and saved.......

Note: Bubble runs are done much later, when winter rolls in and there is no problem with temps, no shortage of ice and cold water, etc....ie: Winter you can put any amount of trim, or any amount of water outside and have it near frozen very quickly, which is easier in dealing with the trim when volume, and, temps outside extremely low....

So, in short the outdoor hang cuts down quite a bit of bulk making things a lot easier.....

Note: sometimes electric trimmers used at harvest or prior to harvest, and, sometimes also things not hung if looks like they are having, or will shortly have some issues (mold, etc..)

That is another reason also I like smaller later batches.......(smaller and more solid...), makes trimming a lot easier also......less small stuff if done well and end well..

Of course most projects tend to be circles of very long term associates, since childhood, etc, but, screening as always should apply, but, for the most part...it's all a natural progression and people "grow" into it (pun not intended but amusingly applicable )

Regarding any involvement it would be assuming more than one are involved given a larger size, and, machines also help a little...( a lot)...

(Note: This is of course not a grow diary per se, just addressing the subject, so...)

What I also wanted to address and is something discussed many times regarding the op itself and site selection and similar aspects is this:

Again, we go back to essentially growing...commercial..(large amounts..), which brings us right back to money......

Okay..........

Which comes down to expectations, operating expenses, the level of commitment one has, and the lengths they are willing to go......Specifically:

Lot of people want to grow "a lot"...lot of people want to make a"a lot" of money.......lot of people want to "make a million"....

Okay, so, let's address that.....

One wants to make 1MM dollars...but how?.....What are you prepared to offer?...what are you prepared to contribute?....

I have spend more than $50K on outdoor batches..(initial costs, supplies, etc, etc), and, that doesn't even touch time dedicated, labor, prep, etc, we're just talking simply what will come out of your pocket from planning through final execution....

(There's a couple angles to that...from cheap and easy through all out, so....one could still run 1000 for under 1k out of a closet.......but, later for that....) I think there's a pic above linked somewhere of 500 in a 40" x 40" spot, so, people who claim no room...well.....if you don't have a sq. meter to dedicate, then, yes, probably out of reach...(personally, I find 500 a sq. meter about as economical (use of space) as is possible....)

In continuing with the above, the we hit on site selection, which, really, is what it's all about..(ie: doesn't matter who and what you are and what you can do....if you don't have the site?...well........means nothing....it's the site which creates success imo more than the grower......

Bringing us back to okay, so, someone wants to make 1MM, and, I think the same when I look at these idiots running 50k+ plants in Cali...(hottest, if not the hottest outdoor location in the world.....)

So, someone wants to get it done, well.....I would personally recommend site selection in some cases have the limitations of region removed....ie: Can't pull it off where you are?, okay, what about somewhere else...50 states, all different..(penalties also), so...why not take care of it somewhere that is more favorable (But, again, someone wants 1MM or more, but, don't want to do what is necessary to ensure as high a degree of safety as possible.....

(the summary of the above is if your after big numbers.......going to a different site and state is not unreasonable......which goes back to "
Oh, you want to make money but don't want to put in any work for it....)

Not easy, not simple per se........can't expect to pull in 1MM+ without some outlay, work, etc....

Jmo....

(of course, one could do a residential lot, etc, as mentioned above and pull 250k from their backyard and pool area no problem , but, another topic....)

Above can be applied to any situation, indoor or out.....(If expecting 7 figures, appropriate efforts would accompany that....)

Thanks julian for all the valuable knowlage you have shared. Invaluable. Thanks for carrying on the other one as well, and posting this link.

[Julian]

Just trying to offer things that may be of help.....nothing really in either thread that anyone is not capable of doing anytime, anywhere....

Something else worthy of mention would be success and survival rates (earlier)......

Of course the more established they are when put out, the greater the chances of success.

I see people talk about losses and most of the time do not understand as during early veg (in) they should of course be gone through and if some are just not making it (runts, etc), then, of course, why bother filling valuable space (out) and spending time and effort in prepping a spot for something that already is demonstrating that it is not up to par, falls behind others, just not making it....(I've tossed maybe 100 this year early veg in......1-2" while the others in the same round were hitting 6-8-10"...)

Your target is no losses....and to do everything as it should be to try and ensure that...from selection to prep and more.....(likewise as mentioned I said I lost one of my city plots....100...well, my fault, I did not follow procedure to ensure everything would be fine (ran out of crystals...but "they had to go"...my own fault, oh well.....I didn't follow what I knew to be the case (fairly rare, and, I lost em....certainly not a surprise and no one to blame but myself.....) I also lost about 10-20 from another patch whenj storms brought a tree down right in the middle of location (but, I am waiting....won't be surprised if they just grow right up through branches...so, waiting to see how that one goes Might just turn out to be of help (support, like a trellis, etc )

Talk with people a lot lately about protection and security aspects, and, might address that once I get a chance......seems like many don't understand the way life, and people work....

Another aspect but addressed elsewhere would also be planning, accumulation, etc....(I've already had several projects in planning stage for quite a while.....some are things I want to do but waiting for right time and opportunity...1-2-3 years...others might be as simple as I have already been working on next years project(s) since May.....

(Note: I always allow (for stock and supplies) the chance that one will "pop up", and usually expect that and "plan" for it........make allowances of supplies, etc....I just had an "extra one" pop up already this year, and, kind of threw me off (had to put out some stuff I was going to run indoors when all out done for year), so, those ended up going out because rooms would be occupied with later rounds and would not have had enough time to run them.....

Which again goes back to the above, and, success and money.....(planning)....You plan, you prepare, you accumulate, you wait for the opportunity......patience..... unless extremely seasoned......best always not to rush into something....

(I had one planned for late this season (larger out, mini's...) looks like not going to happen this year, so....not a big deal, will shoot for next maybe.....not a problem, I still have things going and working on, so......just another thing ready to go (was ready this year....so, at this point..........when opportunity arises and becomes possible....it's ready to be executed quickly and easily....)

(Which could also relate to timeframes...late planting....lot of people write a season off when "too late"....[i]It's not too late until it's too late" )....

[BakedBeans]

A 20 ft deep bed of stinging nettles (Urtica Dioica) around your patches would help your security as well as help the plants. :-)

bb

[Julian]

I actually have many large patches among those (just the phrase makes me cringe...) In addition to some extremely large areas of poison ivy, oak and sumac..........(nursing a minor cases now .....)

(And for anyone who is not familiar, well...there is, indeed, a reason they are named "stinging" nettles ) (I hate those fuckin things...working in a field of them is not pleasant....)

On that now how spaces are cleared are also by power......trimmers and weed wackers, etc,....easy to clean a spot in the middle fairly quick......(plus of course, a lot of those spots are absolute nightmares regarding mosquito's......(were so many recently, my ears were ringing for several days........not pleasant....)

Yeah, with power, you can have 4-6 foot growth and have a space cleared in literally seconds......cleared a 10 x 20 spot in the middle of 4-6 feet vegetation last time in about..........5 minutes?

I have some "neighborhood" shots maybe I will upload later after checking and editing, and, also 1-2 showing a spot cleared for planting...(we actually have a large spot right in the middle of what seems to be a dense growth of poison sumac (maybe about......100' x 400'...).....I'll check to see if I have any shots of that one....(I don't really understand anyway because that region is not known for it..(I checked while researching treatment I never had it before because always take precautions....)