[Pimpslapped]

Originally Posted by Julian

I've trained a lot of people in this, and, in business, (3 companies/3 industries) over the years, and, sincerely believe anyone can learn anything, anytime, quite easily......but, all depends on how it is explained...the delivery....(I was always a very difficult student......and, the older I get, the more I realize it's because my teachers sucked...)

when I say "discipline" , I mean basically you do what you have to do, and do not alter that...

You're right there. I've had to work with people in varying roles over the years and I learned that most people can be incredibly dense, until you find the right way to explain something. It's not always my forte, I tend to overcomplicate things and go off on tangents when speaking. (And typing, shhh.. don't tell. I'm pretending to not randomly go off on tangents in the middle of a post).

Not a criticism, but I think you seem to have a problem that I do when posting on forums (And when speaking in person too, but can't say if it applies in your case). Seems to get a little choppy at times, almost feel like I skip a word or something when reading, but it's more that you've edited (Probably mentally as you type) things down to keep from rambling on endlessly. Well, that and since this is a text medium of communication there is no real inflection to fill in gaps, no body language, etc... That is one reason I tend to be overly wordy at times, because I try really hard to make sure my point comes across clearly to a wide variety of readers.

Originally Posted by Julian

I agree, and sometimes why I take so much pleasure in these discussions...Just talking about things one often in the process will get a lot of new ideas....(I do, all the time....just from these threads......a lot....)

It drives me insane at times, I am so proud of what little I have accomplished so far in my brief growing career. Always looking for advice, ideas and of course to brag and show off. But... what I'm doing is illegal. So anyone I tell puts me at risk and you can't REALLY talk about growing without anyone with half a brain figuring out that you are/were a grower. I realize that already and I'm most definitely a neophyte.

My only real outlet are the forums and I'm only now really settling in and feeling confident enough of myself to actively take part in discussions here. Can't really show off, since I don't have a digicam right now (That's low on my list of budgeted items, still got some work to do on my growspace). I'm just loving this discussion and still slogging through the 'INDOOR' version of this thread, somehow missed it before now (And the early parts are badly mangled due to 'Divine Intervention'). I've gotten so many ideas and had so many of those moments where I just wanna smack my forehead and say DUH! I should have seen/known/thought of that. It's going to take a long time to change my mental preconceptions around and lose those notions. If only it were actually reasonably safe to contact/meet other growers but sadly with the state of things here in the US it's a risky proposition.

Originally Posted by Julian

Nah....you sound like your very aware of your abilities and limitations and comfort level......

Self awareness (regarding any aspect of ones self) is under rated, and, I see less and less these days, and, the more time goes on (from anyone, anywhere)...

If anything I may underestimate my abilities. It's a tendency of mine, but I'm finally starting to grow out of that a bit (comfortably in the 30+ category these days, think I remember you mentioning that age range here or another thread). You're right, self awareness is becoming a rarity. It's an endangered species, much like common sense and common courtesy.

I consider myself a misanthrope and a borderline sociopath, but I can't help but be disturbed by what I see in our society. I can only really speak of it here in the US, but it seems to be pretty pervasive. People just don't care anymore. Humanity is turning into a self-blind, self-serving scavenger. We're feeding off ourselves as we rot in our own filth. At least that's what it seems like. There are good people out there, but humanity seems to have gone to the shitter in a big way. Is it just me or has the 'Herd Mentality' gone into overdrive?

Originally Posted by Julian

Your intuition my friend is just as strong as the next persons, whether to utilize it or not (note that I said "utilize", not "realize" .....

It's always right there in front of you.....in what they do...what they say....how they view the world and others...how they treat others.....

(Of course, the above can be utilized by anyone, anywhere, anytime, for any situation in life......business, romantic relationships, anything...)

Who someone is, is always right in front of you,, displayed in their words and actions.... Most people just..........don't pay attention, and, in the case of romantic relationships?.....they simply might choose not to.....

I can't say you're wrong here. It's a blind spot for me and one I don't have real good control over. I'm always second guessing myself when dealing with people. My initial impression seems to hold true in a lot of cases, but I've been wrong often enough to leave me gun shy.

Problem is making that conscious effort to notice those things, because my subconscious isn't very good about alerting me to them in time.

Originally Posted by Julian

Most don't favor them, most will have varying opinions, but,...mine is above....

Some work, some don't....the ones that do make up 10 times over for the ones that don't, and, any problems are your own fault.....

That being said, the key is to clearly define every aspect of it from the start, and I think a lot of people create problems (future) from the very beginning by overstating yields......

Food for thought, definitely. I'd like to grow some extra and at least recoup my investment in equipment thus far, due to limited space and rates of household consumption though, likely that'll have to be outdoors. I firmly believe that I'll need a hand on getting rid of any of my extra, how much.. that's the question. Only time will tell on that one, who knows how ambitious or lazy I'll be.

It could be an ideal arrangement... I do the growing, they do the distribution. Probably tap them for help with harvesting and grunt work, cut them a decent deal.. see how it works. I like your advice on trying to control the prices a little. THere's no reason to milk people horribly, that just causes problems down the road (Or at least potential ones). It's not like the plants are really a limited resource after all.

I can definitely understand the 'MineMINEMINEPRECIOUSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! ' feeling. I noticed as my plants grew i got a little more possessive towards them. My surrogate babies. I've seen it come out in people before as well (Though not related to growing, it's not exclusive to our chosen hobby after all)

Your going to pull 100?........Tell them 30!....

Expectations I think are the number one source of creation of problems....followed by the "ME/Mine" syndrome.....discussed at length in indoor thread..

Originally Posted by Julian

I am...in many ways....and, am thankful for current situation and areas.........one of best I have ever had the pleasure of having.....makes everything much easier in many ways and essentially everything runs itself...lush vegetation....adequate rainfall...(although harvest season has some incredibly erratic weather which sometimes becomes quite scary....)

The vegetation can change drastically even over a months time in many places, and, I am sure veterans would readily agree.....

You always want something you can remember, and, always lay them out most efficiently, or, according to what you desire...

I think I'm in a region with a lot of potential, I just have to take advantage of it. I've never really paid that much attention to the local weather patterns, but since I'm in the SE US, I don't think I'll have TOO many problems with that.

Good advice on setting out your plots. I'll have to keep it in mind. I've always developed my own little chaotic systems of organization, it should be manageable. If I end up with the extra cash, a GPS unit might be a fun toy to play with in that regard, but definitely shouldn't be relied upon too heavily.

Offhand, anybody know a good resource for checking on historical weather data? Seems like something that'd be readily availible but I wasn't able to find it in my brief attempt before I repacked the bong.

Originally Posted by Julian

Yeah....the shut downs.....in direct relation to increased accidents over the years (people getting hit by trains...)....Terrible tragedy, and, I don't take it lightly (I actually know 2 families that have had such losses,) but, I can't for the life of me figure out how you get hit by something the size of a building.....I just don't get it....You go your whole life not being hit by a friggin car.....then to be hit by a train (essentially the size of a small building...)

I just don't get it

I knew a kid when I was growing up... killed by a train, but he was a drunk teenager who was trying to catch it. That sort of stupidity is at least somewhat understandable. How in the HELL a healthy adult who is conscious can get hit by a train, that confuses me.

Originally Posted by Julian

The spot dictates the method....

That's what I have to get the hang of there. I will be more confident about it later, when I've got a little more experience and realize just how much control I can exercise over the method. Need to play with LST/Topping, figuring out late harvests, etc... Need to get a few runs outdoors to get the hang of it before I get ambitious.

It'll take time to realize just how endless the options out there are. My biggest fear is going too fast, biting off more than I can chew. That makes me hesitate more than anything I think.

I could sprout beans, cut clones and throw out 500+ plants... but really that's far more than I could handle/process/distribute. Gotta build up to that, if I even get to that level at all. It's intimidating to think about right now. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around it, but that'll come with time.

Come to think of it, I think that's one of the biggest addictions of 'The Game'. There's just so much to do, so many variations. Always something new to try.

[Pimpslapped]

Originally Posted by Julian

(I'm sorry....you said into seeds....plant a patch man, do free pollination....done deal....)[/i]Options are endless...could also hold males back (indoors) and then hit them a little later in field to target certain mothers....options are endless....(and you'd probably end up with a hell of a lot more than 1,000

That reminds me of another question, what's a good method to extract seeds from the bud? Only thing I can really think of is breaking it apart by hand and sifting/picking them out... which with 1000+ just seems like a royal PITA.. Any advice on that front?

[GorillaGrower]

The country plots I understand are earth auger, then mix native soil, w organic nutes , water crystals and maybe a mulch.. obviously maybe something (peat, coco, perlite) to break it up a little if the native isn't perfect and lime depending on soil.
That you either test or know the plot if its the big one well.

But for the city (say railroad) or even before developed land... could you explain your method of deciding/amending the soil.. Ie usually around most railroads the soil is more rocky.. I believe anything will grow there.. but what are you using/or not for these situations. Plenty of good places but marginal clay/rocky soil. It seems it would be tough digging too. How so quickly?

I'm assuming at this point that your bringing in a shovel and several large bags of fert/perlite pre-mix(thinking perlite because its so light) digging 1'x1' holes everywhere fast(300 minis) then like 1/4 mixing it with crappy soil.w/ crystals in bottom.. then if possible mulch.

just asking such a elementary ? because your talking about having to smoke a cig and waiting on 5-0 to check a site.. are you then pulling a 4ft folding shovel off your utility belt and 200 lbs of site dressing out your ass before performing a diving roll behind a convenience store ala mission impossible stylee. Or is it just some places you can get away with whatever and some you can't? Just trying to get the logistics

[Pimpslapped]

Originally Posted by GorillaGrower

just asking such a elementary ? because your talking about having to smoke a cig and waiting on 5-0 to check a site.. are you then pulling a 4ft folding shovel off your utility belt and 200 lbs of site dressing out your ass before performing a diving roll behind a convenience store ala mission impossible stylee. Or is it just some places you can get away with whatever and some you can't? Just trying to get the logistics

You can get folding shovels and such, fairly compact. Or a garden trowel. From what he's said in some posts, I think several of his city spots are exposed entry/exit, but the site itself is concealed.. If he kept it to a small number of plants per location, the volume of material needed would become fairly reasonable.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Pimpslapped

You're right there. I've had to work with people in varying roles over the years and I learned that most people can be incredibly dense, until you find the right way to explain something. It's not always my forte, I tend to overcomplicate things and go off on tangents when speaking. (And typing, shhh.. don't tell. I'm pretending to not randomly go off on tangents in the middle of a post).

Well, and, maybe it's not that they are dense....maybe it's just we are not explaining it in the correct way

(All people relate to different things, different ways, and, I think the skill of teaching is seeing that, and then identifying that (what they need), and then doing so....Usually for me when learning something, what I do is ask the questions I need to know to understand.....)

Example: I've recently developed quit an interest in boats. Have several friends, associates who are into boats. They really can't, nor should I expect them to give me an overview in an book perfect format, so, I basically just ask them the questions that I need to know, in order for me to formulate an idea, which then brings with it more questions, and, as time goes on, a better idea is developed (by me) and, the questions more specific....

Not a criticism, but I think you seem to have a problem that I do when posting on forums (And when speaking in person too, but can't say if it applies in your case). Seems to get a little choppy at times, almost feel like I skip a word or something when reading, but it's more that you've edited (Probably mentally as you type) things down to keep from rambling on endlessly. Well, that and since this is a text medium of communication there is no real inflection to fill in gaps, no body language, etc...

Well, I prefer in such a medium (informal, casual) to basically deliver as I would speak...which would include my amusement, pauses, etc. To me, it seems most effective....

Lot of people view things in different ways (and approach)...To me?.....we are right now essentially having a drink chatting (and, I truly view this site and conversations as such....it's a bar...."we're just talkin"

(annnnndd, occasionally...someone whose had too much to drink will wander by, interrupt, maybe a brief scuffle and, eventually leave and the conversation continues )....

jmo/view/approach....

(another round? )

That is one reason I tend to be overly wordy at times, because I try really hard to make sure my point comes across clearly to a wide variety of readers.

The most important being those less experienced, whom, of course, are really the ones who draw the most.....I think more should take the above into consideration when they pen info....They attempt to share info, but, in doing so, they are completely overlooking exactly who they are doing it for

It drives me insane at times, I am so proud of what little I have accomplished so far in my brief growing career. Always looking for advice, ideas and of course to brag and show off. But... what I'm doing is illegal. So anyone I tell puts me at risk and you can't REALLY talk about growing without anyone with half a brain figuring out that you are/were a grower. I realize that already and I'm most definitely a neophyte.

I think I said this in other thread...........

People should remember you truly can't say anything....

(Somewhere over there, or elsewhere, was a story how I was somewhere....someone rolled one....conversation started about the bud, and, the least bit of specific information and you are automatically assumed to know about growing..... So, instead....better to say nothing, leave the conversation alone...and sit and listen to someone talk about because they found 2 seeds in an z, means the plants were male, and, how people don't know what they're doing and should be growing females instead, cause that's where the buds come from.......)

(That is a true story, and, a conversation I witnessed )

You display anything.......your blowing it, because:
If you do not grow....then how would you know about growing....

Topic is better left alone for security.....

My only real outlet are the forums and I'm only now really settling in and feeling confident enough of myself to actively take part in discussions here.

I think the same for most people......

I think would be more interesting and content rich if people also left petty things at the door and enjoyed the discussions.....

Can't really show off, since I don't have a digicam right now (That's low on my list of budgeted items, still got some work to do on my growspace). I'm just loving this discussion and still slogging through the 'INDOOR' version of this thread, somehow missed it before now (And the early parts are badly mangled due to 'Divine Intervention').

Yeah......lot of stuff was over there......a shame....

If anything I may underestimate my abilities. It's a tendency of mine, but I'm finally starting to grow out of that a bit (comfortably in the 30+ category these days, think I remember you mentioning that age range here or another thread). You're right, self awareness is becoming a rarity. It's an endangered species, much like common sense and common courtesy.

Many seem to be either deathly afraid to face who they actually are, or maybe it's taking admitting their shortcomings as anything more than that....

We all have them....no ones perfect, never will be....You are who you are and nothing more.....

Plus....how can one grow, improve, develop any aspect of themselves, if they do not know where they currently are......

I have a little lecture I have developed, which I call "The 4 senses of self". Anyone wants to hear it, let me know.....(it's all mine)...I think it's fairly interesting, and, world would be a different place if more understood it.....

I consider myself a misanthrope and a borderline sociopath, but I can't help but be disturbed by what I see in our society. I can only really speak of it here in the US, but it seems to be pretty pervasive. People just don't care anymore. Humanity is turning into a self-blind, self-serving scavenger. We're feeding off ourselves as we rot in our own filth. At least that's what it seems like. There are good people out there, but humanity seems to have gone to the shitter in a big way. Is it just me or has the 'Herd Mentality' gone into overdrive?

Who knows how or why.....it's always been the case, but, these days, seem like it's just impossible to escape....

Generation ME?

I can't say you're wrong here. It's a blind spot for me and one I don't have real good control over. I'm always second guessing myself when dealing with people. My initial impression seems to hold true in a lot of cases, but I've been wrong often enough to leave me gun shy.

Well...."being wrong" merely means (I believe) that you didn't look and listen enough before making a decision.....Lot of people do that....They speak before they have heard the whole story.....The respond before the story is finished, etc.....

Instincts are usually always correct....lot of people tend to second guess that which they already know to be true......

I heard a saying once that was something to the effect of:
It's a successful man who follows his own advice

I'm a firm believer that we have all the answers to all our questions.....many just have a had time trusting their own judgment for one reason or another....

Problem is making that conscious effort to notice those things, because my subconscious isn't very good about alerting me to them in time.

Eh....like everything......something you have to develop.....I myself am a much different person than I was last week, last year, 5 years ago, etc, and, of course, none of them is who I will be tomorrow...natural progression.....

I think it is though (alerting you in time)...maybe you just have to put more faith in your own judgment....problem lot of people have..(took me years to rely 100% on what I know....)

It could be an ideal arrangement... I do the growing, they do the distribution. Probably tap them for help with harvesting and grunt work, cut them a decent deal.. see how it works. I like your advice on trying to control the prices a little. THere's no reason to milk people horribly, that just causes problems down the road (Or at least potential ones). It's not like the plants are really a limited resource after all.

Split problems have always got me rabid......

You want more??? No problem, we'll just make more!

Simple as that.....

I'd say always keep it to yourself, everything, until you absolutely can't handle it alone.....

The other problem as mentioned before in other thread is people tend to start the "Well, what does it matter to you, it's all free to you anyway"....

I've always been more than generous, and, even being extremely generous, still have seen that...(people want more, and more, and more......)

Yeah......you abuse pricing...creates resentment...which just puts you top of the list when comes time to flip someone.....

Enough to go around for everyone......

I can definitely understand the 'MineMINEMINEPRECIOUSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! ' feeling. I noticed as my plants grew i got a little more possessive towards them. My surrogate babies. I've seen it come out in people before as well (Though not related to growing, it's not exclusive to our chosen hobby after all)

Yeah man...."Mine" syndrome [i[is very real....[/i]....(I coined that about 20+ years ago......thats my phrase/discovery...)

Can definately be applied to other things, but, green?......textbook....

I think I'm in a region with a lot of potential, I just have to take advantage of it. I've never really paid that much attention to the local weather patterns, but since I'm in the SE US, I don't think I'll have TOO many problems with that.

You start growing outdoors and you'll be more well versed on the weather (yesterday, current, tomorrow) than most weathermen Trust me

Good advice on setting out your plots. I'll have to keep it in mind. I've always developed my own little chaotic systems of organization, it should be manageable. If I end up with the extra cash, a GPS unit might be a fun toy to play with in that regard, but definitely shouldn't be relied upon too heavily.

The above a good statement....(you always have developed your own systems...)

Whatever works for you....like the above...we all have our own ways of organizing things and absorbing them......

Important thing is to have one, period....

I knew a kid when I was growing up... killed by a train, but he was a drunk teenager who was trying to catch it. That sort of stupidity is at least somewhat understandable. How in the HELL a healthy adult who is conscious can get hit by a train, that confuses me.

Me too.....me too.......

All out lives we successfully navigate tens of thousands of cars....(smaller, faster,1,000x more encounters.....yet...unharmed. ......)

Never will get it myself.....

That's what I have to get the hang of there. I will be more confident about it later, when I've got a little more experience and realize just how much control I can exercise over the method. Need to play with LST/Topping, figuring out late harvests, etc... Need to get a few runs outdoors to get the hang of it before I get ambitious.

Like anything else...more you know, more you do it.....understanding increases at amazing rates....

Even doing something (anything) the first, a single time.....one knows 10x+ more than they did yesterday....

It'll take time to realize just how endless the options out there are. My biggest fear is going too fast, biting off more than I can chew. That makes me hesitate more than anything I think.

Valid concern and shows wisdom.....shows awareness of other angles in process....etc.....

I could sprout beans, cut clones and throw out 500+ plants... but really that's far more than I could handle/process/distribute. Gotta build up to that, if I even get to that level at all. It's intimidating to think about right now. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around it, but that'll come with time.

Planning, thinking.....solutions......al l approach in different ways and different timeframes......you move when your ready.....

Harvest, dry, cure, package, dump is to me the biggest issues.....

Correction.......whole process?

Trimming biggest issue with volume

[Julian]

Originally Posted by GorillaGrower

The country plots I understand are earth auger, then mix native soil, w organic nutes , water crystals and maybe a mulch.. obviously maybe something (peat, coco, perlite) to break it up a little if the native isn't perfect and lime depending on soil.

That you either test or know the plot if its the big one well.

I do everything "by eye" (measurements), anything, anytime. When I have it on hand also worm castings and chicken manure....(separate from dry organic mix, which is done at different locations, and, batches cut up into smaller....)

It's usually: drill,dust with nutes,wc/cm,then mix,fill,plant.(I always sink them as deep as possible also...being space between top of medium and first set....)

But for the city (say railroad) or even before developed land... could you explain your method of deciding/amending the soil.. Ie usually around most railroads the soil is more rocky.. I believe anything will grow there.. but what are you using/or not for these situations. Plenty of good places but marginal clay/rocky soil. It seems it would be tough digging too. How so quickly?

Actually when I started those, I had a hard time believing anything would grow there , but, of course, lot of vegetation, so.....)

My spots over there and sandy/soot/dirt and rocky, but, rocks are more surface....I just clear them away when they are around spots I want to dig....)

If spots too hard, I don't want it anyway.....too hard to dig, and, reason why it's hard in the first place Plus, I need speed, so, I want the softest (which also probably indicate less compressed and also more moisture....)

I like bottoms of hills/lowers...(moisture reasons, soil)....but, as pics will show, I do also plant on slopes....and create "wells"......"shelfs" (catching water)

I'm assuming at this point that your bringing in a shovel and several large bags of fert/perlite pre-mix(thinking perlite because its so light) digging 1'x1' holes everywhere fast(300 minis) then like 1/4 mixing it with crappy soil.w/ crystals in bottom.. then if possible mulch.

just asking such a elementary ? because your talking about having to smoke a cig and waiting on 5-0 to check a site.. are you then pulling a 4ft folding shovel off your utility belt and 200 lbs of site dressing out your ass before performing a diving roll behind a convenience store ala mission impossible stylee. Or is it just some places you can get away with whatever and some you can't? Just trying to get the logistics

No......city....quick hit and run plantings, I:
1.Consists merely of bags, so looks like I'm walking home from store

a.1 bag with dry nute and crystal mix, (maybe 10-20 cup fulls) hand spade, which is a solid 1 piece stainless by the way, rubber grip...don't use the cheap ones...they're bend in half first time you use them...), and some gloves (in case I have to clear a spot and are nasty weeds...etc...so I don't mess up hands...)

b.1 or more bags of bottles with nute mix (FN) also with crystals in it, but, just enough so still can work with it (still easily poured..)

c.Bags of plants. City spots I usually plant daily, because can't carry too much, can get 50, sometimes more per trip, depending on how large...(plus, don't forget, they're in pots...so....imagine how many pots you can line a bag with and carry and not snap stems and stuff....so...The smaller they are, and, container is, the more I can do..later stuff can do sometimes up to 100...but, city spots, when planting, they're close so I can plant several days.....of course I try and schedule all with rains, so, also determines what and where...occasionally I will go back twice in one day if I have a deadline due to rains coming in...(so, if 3 days of rains, might try and start 2 days before......all depends on weather....

Sometimes a lot more than it sounds, and, not that easy to be walking that fast and making it look like nothing to anyone (I get seen by "people" all the time....but, as above...just looks like a guy coming home from store, maybe lives across tracks, down street, etc... (one hand 4+ bags, other hand 4+ bags.(can't wear gloves because people don't wear gloves when carrying groceries home ...etc...fuckin pretty heavy sometimes, worse when hot and humid...)Do the math...gallon of water almost 10lbs...so..and have to be careful with plants, of course, so....

Nah...city is minimal (if you can call it that...) engineered for speed....

Give me 2 minutes....going to give you a visual

[Julian]

Now, what I do for city spots and water is I try to estimate and "budget". Meaning, let's say the run is 50, then, 17-25 liters might cover ititial watering (rains on way tomorrow or next day don't forget...) and, doesn't look like much, but, when trying to walk fast, looking "normal", and then when out of site for a couple blocks as fast as possible, Any extras I just toss in bushes for next run (less to bring), or, might use on others close by.

(And , I also completely soak plants before leaving, so......yeah, I mean, all in all?.....50+/- lbs?....sure, not a lot of weight, at all, etc, but, when talking plastic bags cutting into your fingers block after block?, different story

Note: For city stuff, best thing you can do is just save all your containers.. Gallons, 2 liters, liter bottles, water, pop, everything....So, this way, you can always know exactly how much you need, are bringing, etc....certain amount per plant....then multiply, etc....no more, no less.....nutes I'm sometimes off because I do all by eye, but, usually, just leaving patches with hand spade and any extra nutes (can put in pocket of sweats...)

Furthermore......
If your constantly doing a lot like me.....you just fill and mix empties (with nutes) when you like, because you know that doesn't matter, your going to use them one place or another (I should have taken pic last week when I had like 10-20 of those bags filled sitting around ) Whenever I get a minute, the urge.... I just fill and mix and set em aside and bag em....

Edit: And , depending, you can always just take em back to refill and use again....I just toss em in dumpster by factory before coming out of space because I have more than I could ever use anyway

[pumpkin2006]

Julian, I always get a little peeved when I read about "100 different sites people could grow in"..... its just not true for everyone. I wish I was in an environment like you, but I have to be more "sophisticated" and use irrigation. I have, on the average (which is often less), then 1/2" rain in july and very similar amounts in august. It would be impossible for me to throw plants outside and let nature take care of them. All of the native grasses are very brown at this point and the only things that are living are either watered, or trees. So I do pass 100 different sites I could grow in every day, if we had rain... its just not possible for many.

[Julian]

Just means then you have to take other measures to make those 100 more suitable.....

So, set up irrigation if spot enables, make visits, water manual (night, once a week..) Go a little deeper...use crystals....all of the above or countless other variations.....

You convince yourself you can't, and you can't. Period. Boards have people growing in almost every region in US and many outside, so, to say a site is not possible...well, not true....(And, on that note....you know how many people actually do have to haul in water to sites? A LOT...)

Spot dictates the method.....some spots easier than others, some not, but, people grow in all of em....I'd do a hell of a lot less in different area, but, would still be running something ...(And, that's where I am where I am....so I can do what I am....and, when I find a better place?.....Well, will then do it there

What you can, where you can, when you can,how you can......so then your limitation is how much can you haul and when.....There is an answer to that question...

Could also get ahead and leave some on site at any time...(Offseason, before season...can also try and capture more of the rain that you do get....)

No one ever said it was easy....(No, I don't haul water in, but, instead, my time is spent on other tasks....if I did?, tasks would change, but, either way, my time is just as occupied as anyone else's....

Note: I'm a hardcore disturbed workaholic..(seriously...I am one sick obsessed fuck....)...if I had to? I'd be doing runs every day/night, 7 days a week the entire season...If that's what it takes...

It's all up to you (anyone) how much effort you want to put forth, but...."impossible"?

Rarely does that word actually apply....

Nothing's free brother....still gotta "put in the work" one way or another

Other notes:
The above being said (yours), then answers might be things such as to go later, save yourself 2-3 months extra work....go later, go tighter (planting/spacing), use months before to accumulate and stock sites, etc.....

A problem is not a problem if there's a readily identifiable solution....

(that's mine btw...)

[JJScorpio]

Good read so far Julian, but you spend a little to much time on the computer to classify yourself a workaholic, lol. Don't ya think? Good job though.....