[GratefulPhish]

PB0 - i experienced deficiencies..
PBP - did not experience any life threatening defeciancies....
PBP + LK + CM - none

and I can't tell the diffenrence in and I usually can (proper flush always inportant" )

[phillykid]

yeah PBO definately doesn't have enough Mg in it to be used as a stand alone, not even in soil, I had to use epsom salt or cal mag. Hav eyou tried the PBO with LK and cal mag? just wondering

Maybe it is something to do with feeding schedule's. I feed my plants contantly with PBP and did not have sign's of any deficiencies.

I did add 1/4 tsp of epsome salt per gallon weekly as I feel most all nutrient's only have the bare minimum of Mg that MJ love's so much.

I have not tried Cal/mag yet, but felt I should this grow, but then if I look at my last two run's I see no reason for it.

I did run into problem's with continual feeding the coco fiber mixture I use, so I made it a bit more like a 60/40 mix cocofiber/perlite and seem's to be good. I will still keep using LK with PBP as they seem to work well together.

stay safe and grow the same way.

realhigh.

[King]

My conclusion is PBP is not organic.

I found this little article on the web. Wish I would have found it sooner. It's about organics vs inorganics and sums things up pretty well.

https://www.adsfocus.com/bostongarden...tid=14&webid=1

After reading this, PBP is not organic. Coming from natural sources, maybe. Organic, nope.

At this point I'm wondering how effective pure organics could be in hydro with reservoir changes. I'm going with phillykid and gonna say an organic/inorganic mix is desirable in hydro. Pure organics wouldn't have time to break down to feed the plants. A medium strength inorganic feeding, with organics, that would slowly be broken down and made available would seem optimal.

I'm gonna stick with PBP supplementing with PB and seaweed as my base.

Okay, ture ogranic's in the growing field is still abit different from country to country and state to state. If all natural is oganic, well artifical indoor lighting take's out indoor organic gardening.

Hydro ogranic is a new term to cover this, " it mean's all that can be done organically is done organically" it does not say it is organic growing, nor is it claimed to be 100% organic.

As I alway's understood the commercial ogranic's, any thing taken from mother earth and is not processed by man is organic. Oganic soil is a living soil of organisim's that keep the soil alive as they feed and grow.

Hydro system's will never make ogranic if they are drained and changed weekly, as it has been said organic's take some time to stew to get thing's going.

I do not see organic's working in hydro if the grower take's and drain's and change's the reservoir every few week's, but that is my opinion.

All I know is PBP nutrient's go bad when stored over 80 degree temp. After they are opened they have one safe place to stay good, refrigerator, at least in my home, so that is were they are. They also started putting on the bottle a warning" not good after one year from this date, so they do have a self life.

When they go bad, well it take's the plant's, so keep them storred properly.

grow safe.

realhigh.

When the US allows up to 30% unknown chemical sources and still be called organic. As long as you can meet or excede 70 natrual organic sources your alright.

I use the Pure Blend original now and it seems to work better and requires alot less during my cycles than PBP

Tex

[mybeans420]

so are you not using pbp at all now?
or are you using the pbo in conjunction with pbp?

realhigh,

Organic-hydro is just using organic nutrients in hydroponics. Who certifies what substances as organic is beyond me.

"Bio-ponics" is when you allow bacteria to thrive giving your res it's own little eco-system. There are no water changes or res cleanings. It's like keeping fish tanks or koi ponds. Beneficial bacteria keeps your water clean and healthy just like the bacteria in our mouths.

I think by just not rinsing out the res with chlorinated water, bacteria will stay alive. I dump out my buckets every 2 weeks but I don't wash, wipe, or rinse them out. I premix my solution in the holding tank and let it sit for a few days to get rid of the chlorine.

* I have a question for you guys/gals about bloom boosters. I am using PBP with LK, CM, and hydroguard. My garden store has so many products I cannot figure out this from that and the descriptions are sometimes vague. Would anyone list some bloom boosters like top max(they don't carry it) that I could use? Thanks.

melvin I have run both system's, even made a bio filter for DWC tube that ran just fine, but in the end it was still root problem's.

I just want to understand what it is about and the benefit's to ogranic over other nutrient's.

Is it a mental thing by the user, or does the plant actually grow and produce better with organic's compared to other nutrient's?

In all right's I have created a bio field in my drip system, I call it a living reservoir, because basically that is what it is.

I have to hassel and go purchase my water and lug it home, so I do not like res change's as this mean's a few trip's, so I try not to mess with drain and refill's.

Most all have their own idea's as to what is best and what nutrient's do the best in certain system's. I ask to be critizied in a way, do not react well to it, but I am not correct nor perfect, just want to learn and see if what I am doing is wrong or right or to much. I do like the KISS rule of growing.

grow safe.

realhigh.

Try Hydroplex from Botanicare, they should have it and I have heard positive things about it.
Overdrive from Advanced Nutreints is a killer phos and potash load early in flower(not organic)
Green Fuse makes one as well but I can not think of the name of it . Earth Nector, Tiger bloom, Kabloom from GH(not organic), I think all have one.

RH, I'm not sure if this is an answer but, I think the organic growing is becoming more and more popular because of growing heath concerns surround the intake of chemicals in the body. Whether that's valid or not who knows but people are more heathly oriented and like the idea of only natrual derived products in the daily routine.
Does it grow better, faster, stronger buds? maybe and maybe not. I have grown both ways and side by side and notice a few subtle differences but not much.

Beans, I am using PBO grow, PBO flower, LK, Cal-mag, Silica Blast, and Top Max. Not using any pro right now,