[King]

Seems to me these all occur naturally. Maybe Botanicare isn't using natural potassium carbonate in PBP?

Got me, yall put way more thought into it than I do. Send them an email and maybe oone of the "scientist dudes" will respond. I did a while back but it was a more general question.

I watch my plants and tweak the nutes on the fly more than anything. I set out to try and stay as organic as I could and work it out as I went. I just got real comfortable with Botanicare stuff and how the plants reacted to different mixes, cycles, temps, etc..

I'm going to run Metanaturals sometime soon if I get up the courage. Changin a good thing is tough but I want a broader working knowledge of a couple different nutes out there now.

[King]

Cal-Mag
derived from calcium nitrate, magnesium nitrate, and iron edta. Defintely not organic after some reading. I'm having trouble finding plain definitions on these. But I am getting alot of chemical plants wanting to sell these chemicals. And I'm seeing alot of danger warnings about handling these chemicals.

I'm starting to rethink my use of Cal-Mag.

Both ingredients calcium nitrate and magnesium nitrate are shown on a chemical list.
https://www.akpetrochem.com/chemical_list.htm

The vague descriptions is all part of the fun.hehe black magic and all

Maybe I'm remiss in my duties but thats way more info than found on it. I would also assume that bulk "chems", "ferts", or "nutes" are distributed through traditional channels. The fact that a chemical company reps a product shouldn't automatically be a red flag.

Tex

[phillykid]

What I meant to say is that you're using the organic chemistry definition of organic which isn't quite the same as the laymans term for organic.

Organic chemistry is the chemistry of compounds containing carbon. This includes stuff like a combustion reaction which is what burns gasoline to provide energy for your car. See, it doesn't neccessarily have to do with organic in the laymens sense of all natural. All I'm saying is this definition doesn't fit in with the definition that we want to use in growing cannabis.

Why does one want to use all natural products in growing?
Some because they are earth friendly, and some want to support companies that have a environmental conscience.
Some because they believe that there are synergistic effects in mother nature between the whole ecosystem which is rich with microorgansims. And this isn't creatable when using chemical fertilizers.

No matter the reason, the usage of organic is in the sense of creating an environment that somewhat mimics mother nature. And in hydro organics I think folks are trying to get the best out of both worlds, while compromising as little as possible. sorry if you thought it was a wise ass remark.

All those rock phosphates, calcitic lime, none of it contains carbon yet they're approved from ORMI because they came from natural sources.

Bottomline
A Chemists definition of organic or organic compounds, isn't the same as a farmers definition of it. I think this is what's confusing.

peace

My brain is going to explode....lol

Tex

[King]

lol with Tex,

I know the feeling.

I understand now philly.

Originally Posted by King

Pure Blend
Seabird guano, bat guano, earthworm castings, fish meal, sea
kelp (ascophyllum nodosum), humic acid, fulvic acid, citric acid,
raw sugar cane, Agrimineral 72 silica clay extract

Pure Blend Pro
Fish meal, composted sea bird guano, sea kelp, spirulina, soybean protein extract, rock phosphate, potassium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, calcium carbonate, humic acid*, fulvic acid*, citric acid*, raw sugar cane*, Agrimineral 72 (silica clay extract)*, ami no acids*, B-complex vitamins*, and select botanical plant extracts*.
*Non plant food ingredients

How much of the difference between the two formulas are the ingredients found in power plant and power flower?

Tex

[King]

Good question Tex. I can't answer, I don't know what the Power series is derived from.

[phillykid]

Now that I look at the difference in the list of ingredients in PBP and original,

spirulina, soybean protein extract, rock phosphate, potassium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, calcium carbonate, amino acids*, B-complex vitamins*, and select botanical plant extracts*.

now look at what's in cal mag plus:

CAL-MAG Plus ™ also contains iron, boron, zinc, manganese, molybdenum, copper, cobalt and iodine, beneficial vitamins, 20 essential amino acids and select botanical plant extracts to help in the production of fruits and vegetables in fruit and flower bearing plants.

seems like all the macros and micros would be there with either the original or pro formula in conjunction with cal mag. maybe the pro has more P and K in it cause of the carbonates but I think you could add a little dilute bloom booster to it if needed.

cause I got PB original and I ain't spending no 30 bucks (for qt of both PBPs) for some spirulina and soy protein!!!!
peace