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Old 05-26-2007, 07:13 AM   #31
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Spoken like a true activist,that doesnt give the issue much thought..Cannabis in itself hasn't been proven to be harmful in any way that I know of,but its a drug nontheless and where there may be drug interactions,there may be problems.A lot of us baby boomers that have used cannabis for 30 years or better will soon probably be needing various medications,I want my doctor to know exactly whats up..
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:07 AM   #32
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There are far too many doctors that know very little about mj as a medicine, esp. in the South where the religious faction has demonized it as a drug. Those who are worried that the insurance co. will find out have a valid concern. One poster stated that his doctor was concerned about mj raising his blood pressure. Tobacco will do that, but mj has the opposite effect as THC dilates arteries and veins instead of constricting then as nicotine does.

I have no health insurance and can't get it due to the many heart attacks,etc that I have had. My cardiac doctor asked about my health. I told him I had insomnia and used mj to treat it. He said nothing but gave me a sample of Roserem to try instead.I didn't like it and don't use it, mj works better.

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Old 05-26-2007, 05:29 PM   #33
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My doc flipped out when I told him, then accused me of smoking cocaine also. I told him I don't even smoke tobacco. He then proceeded to interrogate the crap out of me. After his tirade, he calms down, recomposes himself. Then asks me if it helps my condition and we discussed dosing, etc. He never once told me I should quit medicating with it.
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Old 05-26-2007, 08:27 PM   #34
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If you don't mind the inquiry what region was this Jolly? Wondering if the local culture influenced his reaction... Like if he's a crazy theocon Southern Baptist or something.
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Old 05-27-2007, 07:32 PM   #35
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If going for a normal exam with a new doc, I wouldnt bring it up. If there was a specific issue, maybe. You also dont need to flat out say i smoke weed. You could ask the doctor " Doc my buddy has the same symptoms but he smokes weed, would you treat him differently?"

As far as them turning you over to the police that just isnt going to happen. Hell LEO could have a field day if they raided rehab centers.

As far as insurance goes, I dont have any and was trying to get some. I made the mistake of telling them i had a physical while incarcerated. When they found out one of the charges was possession of marijuana, they denied it.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:54 PM   #36
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interesting subject. on the whole i agree that you're best off keeping that confidential till you know and trust your doc enough so you can be sure he won't put it in your file. because remember medical files are now easily available for leo when they investigate. also for insurance purposes. like with all things once this stuff is in a central data bank, it can then also be hacked and even legally viewed by loads of different people quite easily.
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Old 05-28-2007, 06:58 AM   #37
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ive had problems with my stomach for the past 8 months. not being able to eat much at all, only about 5 bites of food, and then be full and feel like shit. i just went into the doc a few weeks ago and she asked the "do you use marijuana" question 3 times. i said no everytime being all paranoid and stuff about it. she took a blood sample from me, and for some tests and things like that. they called me back a few days later to tell me that my blood was normal, but i still needed to come in and discuss farther the results from the blood test. i still have yet to go, my two week checkup should be tuesday and hopefully she wont go on a rampage.
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Old 05-28-2007, 05:44 PM   #38
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don't worry she can't use it against you. she isn't even allowed to check your blood for cannabis without your consent. so really don't worry, the worst possibility will be that she is one of those stubborn anti cannabis doctors, in which case she might lecture you about it. so what eh?

on the other hand, your stomach conditions sounds quite serious, you might well want to tell her about your cannabis use. specially because normally cannabis should help against the symptoms you describe. hm....not an easy one.....all the best.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:10 PM   #39
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Disclaimer: I AM NOT A DOCTOR NOR DO I CLAIM TO BE ONE. THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE.

First, according to the "ethical standard" which all doctors are supposed to follow, ANYTHING you say MUST be entered into the chart/patient notes. If you give the doc a disclaimer such as "off the record" he is supposed to say that nothing is off the record. This is for two reasons:1) there are too many patients for the doc to remember your off the record comment. If something is important enough for you to mention, it is important enough for him to remember, which he probably won't if he doesn't write it down. If the guy has a small practice he might remember, but most doctors now have tons of patients due to the insurance system and payments. Reason 2)Liability: the issue of Medical Malpractice is HUGE right now.
Take this scenario: Say your doctor knows that you smoke pot, then one day you crash your car and hurt somebody. At the hospital they draw blood, you test postive for THC (even if you smoked a month ago). If the doctor did not tell you to "quit doing drugs" then he is liable and the person you hit can sue him for negligence. Sounds far-fetched but lots of far-fetched medical malpractice lawsuits result in BIG money for the "victim". Doctors are scared and want to cover their asses.

Next major issue: If it is in your records, which it probably will be, insurance companies will have access. Every time you need a referral approved by your insurance company, they can look at your file. If you change insurance companies, they will request your file. If you go to a new doctor, he will request your file. It will follow you unless you say you have never had insurance and have no medical records. That causes a whole new set of problems which I won't get into.

Major Point: Almost all doctors are dues paying members of the American Medical Association (AMA) . The AMA does not support medical marijuana. Not only that, if you ADMIT to smoking marijuana, by definition, you are either diagnosed with Marijuana Abuse or Marijuana Dependence. Abuse is using it every now and then, dependence is using it regularly. This is because marijuana is a big bad illegal drug. This relates back to the liability issue before: if he gives you that diagnosis, he covers his ass. Diagnosing you doesn't mean he actually has to do anything or even tell you that he has diagnosed you since you admitted it by yourself. Even now, with all the evidence showing that pot is much less harmful than cigarettes or alcohol, medical schools still teach students that weed is dangerous. Even if you claim you use it medically, since the AMA does not support it, it does not qualify as a "medical drug".

Lastly, if you ever develop depression, anxiety, or anything remotely psychiatric, the doctor will blame the pot and not do anything else for you until you quit. There are a number of diseases "caused" by marijuana, including: anxiety, psychosis, and depression. Most doctors are taught all the negative effects of weed, and lots of symptoms caused by real diseases will be blamed on the marijuana.
You are not doing yourself a favor by telling the doctor you smoke weed. If you are worried about drug interactions, here is the bottom line: THERE ARE NONE. Google "dronabinol contraindications" to see for yourself. (Dronabinol is marinol, which is only one molecule from the many found in pot, but for this purpose its basically the same thing).

In this country smoking pot is still illegal as far as the medical establishment is concerned. As smokers, we have to accept this. If your health is somehow compromised and you become ill, do a bit of research and see if the weed is related. If it is, the solution is simple: quit smoking. If you aren't sure, quit and see if your health improves. But the bottom line is that if you get sick, chances are REALLY good that the weeds got nothing to do with it. The exception is rare cases of psychosis, bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia caused by pot; in these circumstance, the people already had a great disposition to these diseases and the pot somehow allowed the disease to surface and they most probably would have anyways. If you frequent these forums, you've probably been smoking long enough so that you already know whether or not this will happen to you.

Sorry for the long post, had to get it all out.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:00 AM   #40
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GOOD REPLY.. glad you took the time to say some of what I was thinking,,,, and then some.....
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:21 AM   #41
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I don't really trust anyone outside of my family, so no, I don't tell my doctor.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:50 AM   #42
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I tell my Doctor the truth no matter what it is. Im interested in a long healthy life and his job is to help me have one. My regulay Doc just quit her pratice to work for Hospice. So I went to see my new Doc 2 weeks ago and told him my whole life story, holding back nothing.

His response to my smoking MJ was I have to stop and that I can get the same benifets from eating it. Not to stop doing it just stop smoking it.
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Old 05-30-2007, 03:30 AM   #43
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My doctor confronts me immediately when I make an appointment with him,and he goes through the list."Been takin any ecstasy,meth, cocain,heroin?Mydoc,he's a good fuckin doctor.If you have a problem and the doctor doesnt inquire about both regular medications and recreational drugs,he's not doing a good job IMO.
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Old 05-30-2007, 03:36 AM   #44
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I smell a new post soon.. 'How to get your doctor to remove your admitted pot smoking from your medical records.'
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Old 05-30-2007, 06:42 AM   #45
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Verite: since you asked...

Here's my experience: like some other posts, I made the mistake of telling a doctor I smoke. This resulted in getting asked "how the pot smoking is going" every time I went in. As Soilman said, a good doctor should ask this question, and in general he should ask ALL of his patients (including the elderly) if they smoke, drink, or take recreational drugs. But that doesn't mean he won't be judgmental, even if not outwardly. (As a side note: it is a common assumption that alcoholics and "drug" users don't give a shit about their health, so doctors don't fight AS hard for your health when it comes to fighting insurance companies, sending you to expensive specialists, etc.)

After I spilled my guts and regretted it for the next 2 years, I moved (from a big city) to a small town where I basically worked with town's few doctors. My new doctor wanted my previous records and asked me to sign a privacy waiver to get them from the old doc. Here's what I did: I told the new doc I got a copy of my chart before I moved. Then I ran home like a scared little girl and called the old doctor and requested a copy of my chart. Under the HIPAA law (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) every patient has a right to a copy of their own records, sometimes with an added copying fee (BTW: this same law is what protects your privacy as a patient, its worth a wikipedia read). I got the chart and basically looked for the part where my pot use started getting documented. I took out the pages that made reference and basically cut out the last couple of years. I took the chart to the new doctor and (out of paranoia mostly; should have seen if he cared first) filled in with some BS about how I didn't have insurance for the last couple of years, so I don't have recent records, could he please do a complete blood workup to ease my mind.
This was generally a shitty situation, because any change in my health or medications that took place after this I had to put in the context of "I had to see random doctors who didn't charge much, so I don't have the records, please take my word for it". If you take pain or anxiety meds, or if you have a serious medical issue, this is really bad for your health because a new doc needs to know everything.

If you recently told a doctor about your smoking, I would tell him you quit for any number of reasons so that when you do get your records, you have to take out less pages.

This is why its bad to say anything in the first place: most of us don't see the same doctor for our whole lives and every time you change doctors, you never know who the new one is going to be. Same goes for insurance companies: For example, blue cross wants ALL of your records to sell you insurance and "drug" use is an easy way to jack up your rate; could even be seen as a "pre-existing condition" since you might want to go to rehab or something
But as some people here have experienced, there are those good doctors who actually know the science or are willing to put the patient's needs first by not writing the stuff down in a legal document (your patient record is considered a legal document).
Lastly, if I ever got a life-threatening illness, I would be up front.
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