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10-24-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbabud

Awesome product I love LK indoors hydro and soil and outdoors right in mother earth. She is a standard in my garden and staying that way!!

I hear ya man, LK shits all over PBP's chest

Snarf · 01-27-2007, 01:12 PM

Can't seem to find this stuff on any European website

DirtDr. · 02-04-2007, 08:18 PM

Good info and a nice post keep it up

Mackawber · 02-05-2007, 05:26 AM

Looks to me like Botanicare took a lot of the humic acid out of the new formulation of Liquid Karma.

Liquid Karma used to be 20% Humic Acid. Now it's only 0.1%.

Check out where they put the humic acid at! In the Pure Blend Pro Grow nutes! PBP grow is now 20% humic acid. It looks like they switched it around. I bought some PBP Grow and saw that it was 20% humic acid so I went out and bought a new bottle of Liquid Karma (I was out of it anyway).

Next time I buy nutes I'm going to just get some Alaskan Fish nutes and some Maxicrop liquid seaweed and save some money. Right now I use PBP grow and flower and use FoxFarms Big bloom as a one time heavy N2 feeding when I go to flowering. In late flowering I switch from PBP flower to EarthJuice flower.

DrLongbottom · 02-25-2007, 09:27 PM

I spoke with a Botanicare tech recently and he assured me that The bottles on the shelves are filled with old formula but labeled as new formula....some excuse about using old labels that had already been printed...sounds illegal. So I did a test of old label versus new label...ppms were identical so maybe he was being truthful about the formula being labeled wrong. I told them to get there act together cuz alot of people are very nervous about what they are actually putting in those bottles. peace DLB

glock23 · 02-25-2007, 09:31 PM

Damn they should know better than to use those labels. Would it hurt to slap some stickers on the incorrect labels? Jeez.

Dr. Bloom · 03-03-2007, 02:51 PM

Does anyone know how large of a role the auxin and cytokinin play in the increase in root/plant growth from the LK.

I was reading through my Bio book and came across this....

Auxin stimulates shoot growth (toward light), inhibits lateral bud (shoot) development, stimulates root branching, but inhibits root growth (from the tip).

Cytokinin works as essentially a reverse auxin.....
Inhibits shoot growth, stimulates lateral bud development, inhibits root branching, and stimulates root growth from the tip.

So if we use both these hormones in conjunction will they give us a noticable benefit, or will they essentially cancel eachother out?

Also...if we were to want to do a Scrog for example, are there any products available that would contain only cytokinin, as it would make for a more branchy plant. Or conversly could we get an auxin only nutrient additive if we are looking for "spear buds" in a SOG setup?

Just looking from some insight if anyone has any. Thanks.

coolx · 03-10-2007, 07:08 PM

^^^ good question. Anyone?

04-29-2007, 05:58 AM

here is some info on plant hormones from the kelpak website, kelpak is a south african seaweed extract which i've read is one of the better seaweed extracts used buy comercial hydroponic vegtable growers. of course if you buy this stuff you have to get it from a comercial hydro supplier not a grow shop, which means it won't be shipped discretely. but the site does have a lot of good info.

Plant Growth Hormones
Auxins are naturally produced in a plants' shoot tips and translocate down the plant. Cytokinins are naturally produced in the root tips and translocate up the plant…

Now if you remove the roots of an actively growing plant and immerse the base in water...

Auxins continue to be produced in the shoot tips and move down the plant to it's base. As the cytokinin producing root source has been removed, a high auxin to low cytokinin ratio arises at the base of the plant.

As soon as the plant "recognises" this situation, a rooting response is triggered. This in turn becomes self perpetuating as the prolific roots now generate higher levels of cytokinins which in turn promote top growth. It is therefore easy to understand why a cytokinin product will inhibit root development. The "message" given to the plant upon application of a cytokinin source is; I have sufficient roots!

Kelpak is a high auxin/ low cytokinin product which triggers rooting.

here is the link to the site
https://www.kelpak.co.za/products.asp?contentID=15

Neuronaut · 05-07-2007, 09:17 AM

I'm thinking about trying it out? Who in here swears by this???

01-27-2007, 01:12 PM	#22
Snarf Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 32	LK Can't seem to find this stuff on any European website
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02-25-2007, 09:27 PM	#25
DrLongbottom Welcome to the Next Level, We've been waiting for you Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Carelessly Passing My Time In The Grassland Away Posts: 1,074	HEADS UP I spoke with a Botanicare tech recently and he assured me that The bottles on the shelves are filled with old formula but labeled as new formula....some excuse about using old labels that had already been printed...sounds illegal. So I did a test of old label versus new label...ppms were identical so maybe he was being truthful about the formula being labeled wrong. I told them to get there act together cuz alot of people are very nervous about what they are actually putting in those bottles. peace DLB __________________ Welcome To The Lions Den.......Temptation's On Its Way WWTHD?
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02-25-2007, 09:31 PM	#26
glock23 one in the chamber Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,681	Damn they should know better than to use those labels. Would it hurt to slap some stickers on the incorrect labels? Jeez. __________________ RIP Overgrow! OGer from 2000-2006. I have had Original Haze that was almost like acid, unexperienced smokers would white-out or pass-out, or throw up after a toke or two... Oh, and it was Euphoric to say the least. I would feel like I was floating in a cloud, or held in the hands of a comfortable giant, I had no need for anything, I was totally blissed. - Sam the Skunkman
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03-03-2007, 02:51 PM	#27
Dr. Bloom Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 465	Does anyone know how large of a role the auxin and cytokinin play in the increase in root/plant growth from the LK. I was reading through my Bio book and came across this.... Auxin stimulates shoot growth (toward light), inhibits lateral bud (shoot) development, stimulates root branching, but inhibits root growth (from the tip). Cytokinin works as essentially a reverse auxin..... Inhibits shoot growth, stimulates lateral bud development, inhibits root branching, and stimulates root growth from the tip. So if we use both these hormones in conjunction will they give us a noticable benefit, or will they essentially cancel eachother out? Also...if we were to want to do a Scrog for example, are there any products available that would contain only cytokinin, as it would make for a more branchy plant. Or conversly could we get an auxin only nutrient additive if we are looking for "spear buds" in a SOG setup? Just looking from some insight if anyone has any. Thanks. Last edited by Dr. Bloom; 03-04-2007 at 03:50 AM..
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03-10-2007, 07:08 PM	#28
coolx Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 357	^^^ good question. Anyone? __________________ Strictly legal, MMJ user!
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02-04-2007, 08:18 PM	#23
DirtDr. New Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13	Good info and a nice post keep it up
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02-05-2007, 05:26 AM	#24
Mackawber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 339	Looks to me like Botanicare took a lot of the humic acid out of the new formulation of Liquid Karma. Liquid Karma used to be 20% Humic Acid. Now it's only 0.1%. Check out where they put the humic acid at! In the Pure Blend Pro Grow nutes! PBP grow is now 20% humic acid. It looks like they switched it around. I bought some PBP Grow and saw that it was 20% humic acid so I went out and bought a new bottle of Liquid Karma (I was out of it anyway). Next time I buy nutes I'm going to just get some Alaskan Fish nutes and some Maxicrop liquid seaweed and save some money. Right now I use PBP grow and flower and use FoxFarms Big bloom as a one time heavy N2 feeding when I go to flowering. In late flowering I switch from PBP flower to EarthJuice flower.
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04-29-2007, 05:58 AM	#29
stonedeconomist Guest Posts: n/a	here is some info on plant hormones from the kelpak website, kelpak is a south african seaweed extract which i've read is one of the better seaweed extracts used buy comercial hydroponic vegtable growers. of course if you buy this stuff you have to get it from a comercial hydro supplier not a grow shop, which means it won't be shipped discretely. but the site does have a lot of good info. Plant Growth Hormones Auxins are naturally produced in a plants' shoot tips and translocate down the plant. Cytokinins are naturally produced in the root tips and translocate up the plant… Now if you remove the roots of an actively growing plant and immerse the base in water... Auxins continue to be produced in the shoot tips and move down the plant to it's base. As the cytokinin producing root source has been removed, a high auxin to low cytokinin ratio arises at the base of the plant. As soon as the plant "recognises" this situation, a rooting response is triggered. This in turn becomes self perpetuating as the prolific roots now generate higher levels of cytokinins which in turn promote top growth. It is therefore easy to understand why a cytokinin product will inhibit root development. The "message" given to the plant upon application of a cytokinin source is; I have sufficient roots! Kelpak is a high auxin/ low cytokinin product which triggers rooting. here is the link to the site https://www.kelpak.co.za/products.asp?contentID=15
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05-07-2007, 09:17 AM	#30
Neuronaut All we have is now. Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 785	I'm thinking about trying it out? Who in here swears by this???
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