[madx]

thanks

finally something that eksplains, what keeps happening to my plants, 9 harvest´ in a row with not even enough to supply me and the ms. 4500 watts and only 300g. to smoke
my resoirs would have foam and a milky haze, a few hrs. after water change
and my roots is covered with slime only a day after startup (and in 3 diff. rooms same sh** happens), tried everything from h2o2 to changing water everyday and lowering water temp to the point where the plants stopped growing, nothing helped
just ordered 5 gal. of physan 20 today from ebay
really hope this works.
or im going back to the good old soil days

[jarff]

Geesh madx..it,s sickening eh man.I had a few failed grows but not to the extent you did.I guess your water is Ok and you have proper ph etc.?
I,m into my third week and the roots are snow white with no hint of slime whatsoever.Plants aren,t stretching as they used to with the additives but I know in the end I will have a good yield and the product should be better.I am tempted to add some additives (Floralicious) to one of the tables just to see if the slime shows up there.perhaps this far in I won,t have as much trouble..I always used additives right as soon as I switched to 12/12 after veggin,clones for 5 days...so maybe this had something to do with it.....I will keep this thread up to date as to my garden turn out.Hope you can get yer stuff working better for you..I also ordered a gallon of Physan 20 of Ebay last week....I guess maybe we should be buying stock in this company.
good luck to all
jarff

I had the brown alge bad. lost 2.5 crops before i figured it out. Light. Alge needs light. Lightproof eveything. Physan 20 can combat it, why not just prevent it?

100% lightproof everything. Never a problem since.

For those without access to physan 20 Get the plants out of the system and run bleach through it. SM-90 does not work, h2o2 dont work. Get the plats out and bleach everything. Scrub everything down till your eyes hurt and the house smells like a pool. Then flush thuroughly. At least, at least 2 flushes and run on the 3rd.

As for the plants, give their roots the "haps tickle method". Just get a seperate container with strait tap water. Give the roots a bath abd tickle them. The slime will wash off. Try to get as much as you can. Just tickle and gently rub them between your fingers. If you catch it soon enuf your roots may still be good. Make sure you submerge the medium and roots in order for the slight chlorine to do it's job. Works well.

[jarff]

I agree about light proofin Its but believe me that was my first priority.I covered my 4x4 tables with black and white panda plastic and cut holes to insert the mesh pots.Always used black buckets and covers when doin,dwc....I had air pumps that were overkill and I did everything possible to make a perfect product.btw installed a good quality RO system etc etc etc...but still slime.As I said in previous post I think the additives for some reason was causing the probs....I didn,t have a failure every show but the algae was there...some times I would finish with a good yield then next times around a disappointing yield.
I,m one who believes in additives like Floralicious LK etc but they all seemed to cause the algae.I kinda learned to live with it.I was on average getting 1# per 1K light which is OK for me.
This times goin,into fourth week without any additives whatsoever and my roots are the whitest I have ever seen.Just usin,GH three part flora..also gonna use Kol Bloom last few weeks.I have several tables in operation so I am going to feed one of em with LK just to see if the algae shows on that one table.If it does then I have to find reasons for this happenin,If alge doesn,t show then the only reason I can go on is that perhaps I was feeding the additives too early in flower.I feel I will find an answer (hoping) this time around as to the quandry that has plagued me for the past two yrs.
I do notice my plants without additives are not as big or stetchin,as when I did use the adds.......I think perhaps I am narrowing it down...
I will keep doing input with the progress of this round...I very well could be wrong but I don,t think that the algae is from not having a sanitary environment ..at least in my situation.I cannot tell you how hospital like my room is.It takes me a week to clean up before starting up again.I throw stuff away that friends grab for themselves to use in their rooms.I have a vendetta to figure this out..wish me luck (good luck Jarff).
peace
jarff

[madx]

Originally Posted by jarff

wish me luck

good luck Jarff
it was 1 gal. i ordered from ebay for 35 + another 40 to ship it to denmark
anybody know a european supplyer or product i can get over here ?

I wish you luck jarff. As far a i know, nobody definately 100% pinpointed the cause of brow alge. I know for myself, that 100% lightproof has solved the problem. As i understand alge cant live without light. Well, between the lack of light and 62 digree water. I've had no problems since. But then again i've also cut out all the extra additives.
Hope you get it pinpointed. Good luck.

[jarff]

Started usin,Floralicious on one table yesterday.It is pretty dark stuff and usually stains the roots fast.I always like the Floralicious as it always seemed to give one big main cola on my shorty plants.I,m into fourth week and the plants are lookin,healthy but they didn,t stretch to 20" as they use to.They are at about 14" now.Obviously the additives were givin, them some more bulk,and stretch,but I am happy that I haven,t seen any slime at all.Funny thing with my plants this time is that they are almost as round as they are tall,...really coverin,the tables,with a lot of bud sights.
Will let you know in about a week if the Floralicious is startin, to produce slime on the roots in that one table.I also think I may have been introducing the addities too early into flowering perhaps.Anyhow keepin a sharp eye on them.Time will tell
It,s a great hobby for an old fella like me...spending my retirement producing something that I had spent $$$$ on for 40+yrs.
Have a good day
peace
jarff

[richyrich]

I started using Dutch Master Zone as a protective additive. It is a derivative of chlorine and kills all nasties from growing and lasts a long while in the resevoir. So, if you want the benefits of tap water, because of the chlorine, you can use Zone with your RO water. But, you cannot use beneficials.

[jarff]

Thanx RR..just might give it a try on one of the tables next time around..so far things are lookin, pretty good.Maybe talkin,about it had an affect on the slime..but I doubt it.
I got some plants in pots time around just to get the feel of soil again.I am impressed with the results and may just go soil all the way next show if the water doesn,t work out...it keeps me on my toes and something to look forward to tryin, to get to the bottom of a problem.j/k..anyhow good luck to all...
peace out
jarff

[jarff]

Just doin,an update.As I said before I added Floralicious to one of my tables almost a week ago.The roots are very dark brown,but they are still healthy lookin.Only thing I notice is that the vinyl air lines runnin,into my table have some slime on them......I,m about 4 weeks from harvest and the plants have never looked better healthwise .One difference I noticed is that they seem to be be a bit slower in developing buds.My bud sites at three weeks are usually developed as good as they are now at four weeks..maybe I,ll just have to let them go longer if I can.I had always used Bud Blood (AN) first week of 12/12 but didn,t use this time...so thinkin,perhaps the Blood was indeed performing well.Anyhow this is a bit of an experiment so if I don,t get a good yield I will not be too disappointed.Jus,tryin,to get a handle on the slime..will keep postin, every week ..hope it gives some insite in my own situation with the slime that always seems to show up and it may apply to some others on here.
peace outta here
jarff