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**BurnOne** · 08-20-2007, 05:42 PM

^^^Yeah, that's right. I use a 3 quart sausepan. You know, a cooking pot with a handle.
Burn1

08-26-2007, 05:28 PM

Great thread!

I'm looking to keep my soil mix as simple and light as possible. Am I correct that I'd be good to go with a mix of peat moss, perlite, with recommended added pulv. limestone if feeding with the following flowering mix: ?? (So no need to add worm castings or other amendments to soil?)

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tbs. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
@ 2 cups/5 gallons of water EVERY watering.

Also, to burnone, using this watering mix, how do you feel about adding liquid karma and/or hygrozyme (says it's organic)???

If this liquid mix is all I need, it's what I've been looking for!

08-26-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stoned teacher

Great thread!

I'm looking to keep my soil mix as simple and light as possible. Am I correct that I'd be good to go with a mix of peat moss, perlite, with recommended added pulv. limestone if feeding with the following flowering mix: ?? (So no need to add worm castings or other amendments to soil?)

Also, to burnone, using this watering mix, how do you feel about adding liquid karma and/or hygrozyme (says it's organic)???

If this liquid mix is all I need, it's what I've been looking for!

IMO, you need to add compost and worm castings to your peat. Perlite should be added after mixing your peat, EWC, and compost. Perlite should be about 25-35% of the final volume of mix. Pure peat, even with perlite wouyld be too heavy, and probably too acidic.

And again IMO Liquid Karma is fine to add. @ 1tsp/gal.

Obli

Mr Celsius · 08-29-2007, 11:44 PM

Hey guys

I want to do a nice organic grow. I'll be having 180 plants in 3 gallon bags. I will root in rapid roots, then goto keg cups, then 1 gallon bags and finally the 3 gallon bags to flower.

So I'm sort of curious as to how to go about which planting mix for which stage. Also I want to use coir instead of a peat based mixture; as peat is unsustainable.

So peat has a low ph and coir has a neutral ph. So the dolomitic lime should be reduced? I know your saying the humates will buffer the ph, but I doubt adding something alkaline to something neutral will be able to be buffered by so little humates. But what do I know, thats why I'm asking.

So... using coir. Which mixes should I use for which stages. I'd prefer not to have to do tea mixtures, as to the scale I'm going to be growing. Mixing up a tea for 180 plants would not be cost effective or easy. So water only mix.

Btw this is all indoors. They will probably be in keg cups for about 7-10 days and then in the 1 gallon grow bags from 10-14 days. Then an additional 7 days inside the 3 gallons bags; its flowering time after that.

Suby · 08-30-2007, 07:51 AM

Hey Mr C.

I find that mixing choir with anything too strong or fast release can have ill effects on the plants, like blood and bone meal and yes dolomite, skip it totally or use like 1tsp per gallon of mix of less.
Choir is a Ca and Mg hog, it require extra humates added to the soil to make up for the less composted nature of the coco compared to peat and to keep nutrients flowing.
Growing in pure choir is more about feeding the right nutes, you'll be watering often with coco, it's really hard to overwater it and it's best to water with nutrient until you get runoff, it keeps salt from building up in the rootzone.
I can go on I had a like 50+thread on organics in pure coco on OG.
You can feed it teas and just 100%coco and maybe some EWC and kelp meal.
I you are going large scale you can start with using PBPro lineup, you'll need liquid Karma, veg and flowering for soil VIP, and the calmag formula, this is all you need to feed them till the end of flowering, remember to flush.
I like peat, I find it really bridges the gap and makes for a complete composting action in an organic medium, plus it recycles better then coco longterm, but that's just me.

Later

S

Mr Celsius · 08-30-2007, 08:03 AM

Thanks Suby. Its kind of depressing, but it sounds like I'll be using peat. Mainly I don't want to use liquid nutrients at all. Just add water... I guess I could use Blazeoneup's soil mixture: 2 cubic ft bag of promix, 1 bag miracle grow organic soil, 1 cup blood meal, 1 cup bone meal and 1/2 cup dolomitic lime. He vegged his Chronics for 40 days and has been flowering for about 60 days by only watering with tap water at 7.3 ph and 250ish ppm. I was looking for something simple, but I guess its not as easy as it sounds.

Suby · 08-30-2007, 04:11 PM

I'm not saying not to use coco, I'm curently using it half and half with Promix, so far I really like the results, you can water more frequently and coco makes more K and P available in the rootzone, plus with a 1/2 and 1/2 mix you can still recycle your medium and ammend it with blood,bone,kelp,dolmite at half rate, EWC.

You'll be set and you not have any Ca and Mg defs in flowering, I love to do something Kyle Kushman calls double coverage, you should have 1 source for every major element +micronutrients in the soil and 1 source to feed in a tea or nutrient formula.

So far I have experienced good results with a rich soil and coco mix, plus I feed with teas but it's essentially my OFC recipe with half the dolomite and I cut half peat with coco and 30% perlite.

For a large grow I always recommend having liquid ferts on hand, if you have def with a batch or strain that's fussy it becomes much easier to correct but it's a backup.

Guanos and kelp meal and liquid kelp can also fit the bill nicely.

I use plain coco/peat for clones, I use kelp meal, dolomite, blood meal in veg and add bone meal in flowering.
Then I feed with microbial teas and guano and the occasional LK and PBPro soil bloom formula.

Maybe try B1up's recipe and cut it with coco?

S

Mr Celsius · 08-30-2007, 10:51 PM

Suby, thanks again man. Laying down some serious knowledge. I really like the idea of what you're doing. Could you link me to your soil recipe, along with the teas; if you don't have them sourced already, maybe you could explain it to me?

Something formulated would help. I realize that you re-use your soil so it might be kind of all over the place.

Thanks.

Suby · 08-31-2007, 03:55 AM

Click the first link in my sig, it's in the first few posts.

S

09-06-2007, 03:40 AM

Where can I get some kelp meal,Jersey Greensand and liquid Karma?
I went to lowes and got all the stuff I could get but I don't know where to find the rest.

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08-29-2007, 11:44 PM	#134
Mr Celsius I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In my head Posts: 2,087	Hey guys I want to do a nice organic grow. I'll be having 180 plants in 3 gallon bags. I will root in rapid roots, then goto keg cups, then 1 gallon bags and finally the 3 gallon bags to flower. So I'm sort of curious as to how to go about which planting mix for which stage. Also I want to use coir instead of a peat based mixture; as peat is unsustainable. So peat has a low ph and coir has a neutral ph. So the dolomitic lime should be reduced? I know your saying the humates will buffer the ph, but I doubt adding something alkaline to something neutral will be able to be buffered by so little humates. But what do I know, thats why I'm asking. So... using coir. Which mixes should I use for which stages. I'd prefer not to have to do tea mixtures, as to the scale I'm going to be growing. Mixing up a tea for 180 plants would not be cost effective or easy. So water only mix. Btw this is all indoors. They will probably be in keg cups for about 7-10 days and then in the 1 gallon grow bags from 10-14 days. Then an additional 7 days inside the 3 gallons bags; its flowering time after that. __________________ A plea for your Health (look at this) HP Stadium Organic Pest Control Organics for Beginners BigTokes ~ Basic Water Chemistry!! ALL ABOUT BONSAI MOMS/MUMS Yayyy! My first colloidal silver generator The 6k Stadium that foil tape built Nature is like a brilliant opponent in chess: "We know that his play is always fair, just and patient. But also we know, to our cost, that he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance." - Thomas Henry Huxley "Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." -P. J. O'Rourke
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08-30-2007, 07:51 AM	#135
Suby AWD Aficianado Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the healing arms of planet love. Posts: 2,435	Hey Mr C. I find that mixing choir with anything too strong or fast release can have ill effects on the plants, like blood and bone meal and yes dolomite, skip it totally or use like 1tsp per gallon of mix of less. Choir is a Ca and Mg hog, it require extra humates added to the soil to make up for the less composted nature of the coco compared to peat and to keep nutrients flowing. Growing in pure choir is more about feeding the right nutes, you'll be watering often with coco, it's really hard to overwater it and it's best to water with nutrient until you get runoff, it keeps salt from building up in the rootzone. I can go on I had a like 50+thread on organics in pure coco on OG. You can feed it teas and just 100%coco and maybe some EWC and kelp meal. I you are going large scale you can start with using PBPro lineup, you'll need liquid Karma, veg and flowering for soil VIP, and the calmag formula, this is all you need to feed them till the end of flowering, remember to flush. I like peat, I find it really bridges the gap and makes for a complete composting action in an organic medium, plus it recycles better then coco longterm, but that's just me. Later S __________________ Organic Fanatic Collective Suby's Kitchen The "Beer" Fridge ~Pimp Your Organic Fertilizer~
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08-30-2007, 08:03 AM	#136
Mr Celsius I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In my head Posts: 2,087	Thanks Suby. Its kind of depressing, but it sounds like I'll be using peat. Mainly I don't want to use liquid nutrients at all. Just add water... I guess I could use Blazeoneup's soil mixture: 2 cubic ft bag of promix, 1 bag miracle grow organic soil, 1 cup blood meal, 1 cup bone meal and 1/2 cup dolomitic lime. He vegged his Chronics for 40 days and has been flowering for about 60 days by only watering with tap water at 7.3 ph and 250ish ppm. I was looking for something simple, but I guess its not as easy as it sounds. __________________ A plea for your Health (look at this) HP Stadium Organic Pest Control Organics for Beginners BigTokes ~ Basic Water Chemistry!! ALL ABOUT BONSAI MOMS/MUMS Yayyy! My first colloidal silver generator The 6k Stadium that foil tape built Nature is like a brilliant opponent in chess: "We know that his play is always fair, just and patient. But also we know, to our cost, that he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance." - Thomas Henry Huxley "Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." -P. J. O'Rourke
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08-30-2007, 04:11 PM	#137
Suby AWD Aficianado Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the healing arms of planet love. Posts: 2,435	I'm not saying not to use coco, I'm curently using it half and half with Promix, so far I really like the results, you can water more frequently and coco makes more K and P available in the rootzone, plus with a 1/2 and 1/2 mix you can still recycle your medium and ammend it with blood,bone,kelp,dolmite at half rate, EWC. You'll be set and you not have any Ca and Mg defs in flowering, I love to do something Kyle Kushman calls double coverage, you should have 1 source for every major element +micronutrients in the soil and 1 source to feed in a tea or nutrient formula. So far I have experienced good results with a rich soil and coco mix, plus I feed with teas but it's essentially my OFC recipe with half the dolomite and I cut half peat with coco and 30% perlite. For a large grow I always recommend having liquid ferts on hand, if you have def with a batch or strain that's fussy it becomes much easier to correct but it's a backup. Guanos and kelp meal and liquid kelp can also fit the bill nicely. I use plain coco/peat for clones, I use kelp meal, dolomite, blood meal in veg and add bone meal in flowering. Then I feed with microbial teas and guano and the occasional LK and PBPro soil bloom formula. Maybe try B1up's recipe and cut it with coco? S __________________ Organic Fanatic Collective Suby's Kitchen The "Beer" Fridge ~Pimp Your Organic Fertilizer~ Last edited by Suby; 08-30-2007 at 04:13 PM..
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08-26-2007, 05:28 PM	#132
stoned teacher Guest Posts: n/a	Great thread! I'm looking to keep my soil mix as simple and light as possible. Am I correct that I'd be good to go with a mix of peat moss, perlite, with recommended added pulv. limestone if feeding with the following flowering mix: ?? (So no need to add worm castings or other amendments to soil?) Flowering nute tea mix: 2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano 2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings 2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican) 5 tbs. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses @ 2 cups/5 gallons of water EVERY watering. Also, to burnone, using this watering mix, how do you feel about adding liquid karma and/or hygrozyme (says it's organic)??? If this liquid mix is all I need, it's what I've been looking for!
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08-30-2007, 10:51 PM	#138
Mr Celsius I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In my head Posts: 2,087	Suby, thanks again man. Laying down some serious knowledge. I really like the idea of what you're doing. Could you link me to your soil recipe, along with the teas; if you don't have them sourced already, maybe you could explain it to me? Something formulated would help. I realize that you re-use your soil so it might be kind of all over the place. Thanks. __________________ A plea for your Health (look at this) HP Stadium Organic Pest Control Organics for Beginners BigTokes ~ Basic Water Chemistry!! ALL ABOUT BONSAI MOMS/MUMS Yayyy! My first colloidal silver generator The 6k Stadium that foil tape built Nature is like a brilliant opponent in chess: "We know that his play is always fair, just and patient. But also we know, to our cost, that he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance." - Thomas Henry Huxley "Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." -P. J. O'Rourke
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08-31-2007, 03:55 AM	#139
Suby AWD Aficianado Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the healing arms of planet love. Posts: 2,435	Click the first link in my sig, it's in the first few posts. S __________________ Organic Fanatic Collective Suby's Kitchen The "Beer" Fridge ~Pimp Your Organic Fertilizer~
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09-06-2007, 03:40 AM	#140
TheOneWill Guest Posts: n/a	Where can I get some kelp meal,Jersey Greensand and liquid Karma? I went to lowes and got all the stuff I could get but I don't know where to find the rest. Last edited by TheOneWill; 09-06-2007 at 03:42 AM..
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