[pez]

Hello, I just have a few quick questions.

If you cross LR with another strain, will the prodigy of that cross show the autoflowering trait at all (F1, right?). Or would you have to cross those together to get the trait to show?

I'm not sure about breeding, so excuse me if I answered my own question,or am completley off, but if any one has crossed LR with a diffrent strain, I'd like to hear how it worked out.

Thanks...

[tekeenator]

There are more knowledgeable folks here than me but I believe it takes alotof back crossing and stablization meaning lots of trial and error.

Not to mention anywhere from I would guess 1-3 years to do all that in.

[Truth]

in order to lock in the autoflower trait, you need plenty of breeding, and back breeding to the original mother/with the original father. say you breed lowryder with skunk#1. you take those seeds, grow them out, and back cross the with the original lowryder parent. you grow those out, select your favorite phenotypes, and back cross those to the original lowryder parent again. you basically keep back crossing to the parent, until you have a stabilized set of characteristics you desire, but it is more complicated. this can take a long time to achieve what you are looking for. there are detailed guides floating around, look em up.

Backcrossing isn't necessary. Selective inbreeding will also do it.

[Truth]

Originally Posted by Insane

Backcrossing isn't necessary. Selective inbreeding will also do it.

yeah that too, you can just choose certain ones you favor the most out of a batch, BUT, backcrossing may be needed to firmly have an autoflowering trait. you may get autoflowering in some, but traits you do not like. you may have a potent pheno, that doesn't autoflower, so of course, crossing it with a fully autoflowering parent would help. if he wants it to be completely stable autoflowering, he would have to cross it back to the parents, or another fully autoflowering brother/sister, and keep doing so until it is 100% autoflowering in every seed, along with having the other characteristics that are needed such as potency, taste, and style of growth that best suits your needs. of course, it would be hard to backcross with the exact original autoflowering parent, since I don't think you can reveg an autoflowering plant, and you surely can't clone them. but you could cross them with a brother/sister of the parent if backcrossing is needed (uncle/aunt). this is basically what they are doing with lowryder, they are taking more potent plants that aren't all that different from the lowryder in stature, and crossing them for potency/yield and autoflowering, since ruderalis on it's own isn't very potent at all. you wouldn't want to cross a 1ft ruderalis with a 12ft sativa, and have a lanky stemy autoflowering plant that won't finish early enough, and yield less.

Originally Posted by Truth

yeah that too, [...] cross it back to [...] another fully autoflowering brother/sister, and keep doing so until it is 100% autoflowering in every seed, [...]

That's it, that was what I meant by selective inbreeding.

[pez]

Thanks to all who replied, I think that answered my question...

Kind of like if you were to cross Ducksfoot with say Afghani, the resulting offspring wouldn't show the "ducksfoot" trait because it is recesive. But if you cross the offspring together, or backcross to the parent Ducksfoot, a small percentage of those offspring would show the trait, and from their you can breed on to stablize the trait. I was just wondering if it was the same with Lowryder...

If you make a punnet square:

AA- normal non-autoflower trait
aa - autoflower trait

A A
a |Aa| |Aa|
a |Aa| |Aa| = No autoflowering plants

and then inbreeding those offspring:

A a
A |AA| |Aa|
a |Aa| |aa| = 1/4 autoflower

And so on and so on. Of course I know it's not that simple, and their is alot more hard work as far as selecting parents, ect, but that is the basic idea, right?

Anyways, thanks once again. I appreciate your insite and advice!

Yes, something like that. The autoflowering trait is recessive. Some three or four generations and you're there.

[mdanzig]

It will take exactly 3 backcrosses to lock in auto-flowering. You must then inbreed repeatedly to stablize.

[elRoachoGrande]

back crosses will get you there faster, consistently..

do you want something thats 7/8ths LR and 1/8th other ( speaking in naive terms )
or do you want a stable hybrid of LR and other, expressing much of the other's traits?

make an F1 cross.. with those seed make F2's and also some 3/4-bred cross back to the LR side,,

between the 3/4bred seed which will express roughly 1/2 AF, and the F2's expressing 1/4AF and other desireable traits you should be able the inbreed quickly a stable line without diluting the strain crossed into lowryder.

just a suggestion that i think gets the best of both worlds.. quick AF stability, and diverse phenotypes.