[motaco]

yeah any haze hybrid, heavily leaning sativa hybrid, or jamaican, hawaiian, etc plants will normally do okay like this. L33t's thread alot of you are talking about, was SSH and an african sativa Rooi Bart (red beard). as you've seen they can go 6ft.

some people argue on potency, and I have mixed feelings about it. I think it affects some more than others.

[muddy waters]

like most men one of my fantasies is doing two different girls, two different ways.

i submit here onthatlevel's thread about taking sour d and strawberry d with and without veg.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=38993

one from his 12/12 harem:

[Haggis123]

Now that plant is a work of art, now there ain't anything wrong with that imo.

Friedrich, I'm glad that this post has prompted you to get into the thick of it, welcome aboard.. ....Your results sound good...got any pics to post.

Motaco, we are allowed to have our opinions and as you say you have done many grows of this style in the past. We have taken on-board what you have to say, please let the guy's get on with it...dude.
There were many postings along the same sort of line in the old thread, thats why Hal spent time & effort in getting this thread set up.

If some guy's want to convert their whole grow to this method, that is their choice......"why not" if you got plenty beans or a way of getting them, then great.
Nothing wrong with trying a different style for a while, why grow the same style constantly ???
Build a stash up and why not grow a different style for a while.....it's all in the quest of seeing what works for you and your set-up best. And the quest of knowledge and experience at the same time.
To me, that sounds ideal.

[motaco]

haggis I'm fine with that. as I said so many times. I'm just not going to have someone tell me that there will be no runts, and continue to argue with me about it. I said most strains don't do well, but some do. thats all. but if someone wants to argue that point with me... than you get what we got.


My very first post says, and as I've said through the thread I used this method on a ton of strains, I do it too. it works decent on heavy sativa hybrids. Some go 6-7ft! but most of your indica doms and alot of your sat doms too will be runts. thats all. I'm not telling people what to do, etc etc. I'm just saying don't overblow it, and make it out to be something its not.


Muddy that looks good. I'm surprised it turned out like that. I've got daywrecker (headband- up the parent chain of the sd family) selfed beans and they didn't like the flowering from seed one bit. lol, they were really sad looking. But that SD looks good; when they are tight like that you can really pack them in. I'm curious how much bud is really down there at the bottom though.

[Haggis123]

Thats cool, Motaco.

Please still contribute if you got something positive to say, as there is enough negatives now.
You said your piece, and put across the argument against it very well.
Now, it should be up to the individual wether to go for it or not....don't you agree.

Most people read a fair bit or are guided by someone with experience before embarking on their very first grow. I certainly did.

[motaco]

its all good. I don't start with people unless they start with me.

I don't really have much to say about the method of growing, its pretty easy really. Only thing to remember is to put your seeds in as big of pot as possible to start out with. You don't want them feeling restricted if they aren't going to posea potential height problem (like if your growing SSH you'll want to restrict them or they'll hit 7ft, but if its a skunk you don't want them feeling restricted or they stay smaller than they could've been). Other than that remember they will be growing much faster in veg if they flower from seed so your going to have to fertilize much sooner. but be careful not when they are too tiny. Other than that the shit just kinda works or it doesn't. depends on the strain.


check it out I preserve alot of my leaves. of memorable or unique strains I usually do anyway. daywrecker always has bad ass leafs. I don't think the original clones have this trait but all the selfed ones did. the bottom leaf is attached to the higher one.

daywrecker is like DSD but alot heavier stone, and minus the sweet tangy kinda smell. heavy on the armpit musty greasy fuel kinda smell.

[Haggis123]

"That's a cool leaf"...

[atmosphere]

Originally Posted by motaco

atmosfear. I've had plants like yours too. as I said I'm well aware that some produce well in 60 days like that. I know. but 9 out of 10 don't. if you wanna limit all your strains to ones that can go 12/12 from seed your going to have mighty slim pickins variety wise out of your stash. I guess if your someone who doesn't mind only having two strains or something you wouldn't notice.

I'm not the kind of guy that concludes things from just one experience and one strain . I've also grown more strains using this method . But even more important is this method is also used by others that are on the dutch forum.
When you ask one of the worlds most experienced growers ( i'm talking about the man behind No Mercy Supply ) he will confirm that it is possible to use lots of strains if you do it right . I learned how to do it well from him . He has done nothing but breeding and growing for 36 years now(mabey you have grow one of his strains like f.e. Santa Maria,valley queen , snowhite ) . Like you said , experience counts for something, and i havend been able to proof him wrong yet .

I don't like to stand on my stripes ( how do you say that in English?) ,but my claims didn't fall from the sky either , they are based on something.

A question : Why have you grown 40 strains this way while it works so bad on most strains ,like you say they do ?

[motaco]

because I used to grow sativas on a 12/12 light schedule and throw in my homemade beans to fill in any extra free space, to see if a new run of homemade seeds has any potency to them, pop a handful of a strain to see if I like it and want to grow it again or if I want something else in its place, or just to get weed in a rush. lots of reasons.

but none of them because it was such a great performance. except the pure sats of course. thats pretty much how you have to grow them.

atmosphere what non sativa dominant strains have you had luck with? I mean I've had a few indicas work it, literally enough to count on one hand. all the rest were heavy sat doms.

[friedrich]

Hi u 12/12ers.

Back from work. I have been working eight days i row now . Tired.But I´m off for about six days. starting now! Lots a gardening to be done. Lots of happiness I Hope.
I don´t understand the bashing.
But I´m uplit... And old.

LIke I said.
It works.
But as you say;
U veg more and u will yield more. Yeah, everyone knows that.
But kickin plenty of them small ones...Lots of weight.
U yield more per watt in a specific time frame. I´ts commercial.
And its good- if you are i a hurry.

I prefer to veg for about two weeks. Then 12/12.
I dont want bigger plants than my hps could handle, They sure dont penetrate effectively - so why do bigger plants than necessary?

Atmosphere is dialed in. Thank you.
But for real? Onegrammers?