[Haggis123]

Originally Posted by SatGhost

hey thanks Haggis mate, i was trying to figure out wtf happened to my post? i sure as shit didn't delete it, damn thing just disappeared... bizarre.

anyway the point i was making is that it is all down to total yields.

"Thank God" for that dude, thought I was going mad...lol.

Or was thinking today about it, and thought maybe the guy had a good reason for deleting the post and I just dropped him in the crap ???

Wonder what happened to it...eh ??

[Lofty]

i thought that was the whole point of this thread, to find out the good and the bad and to report back. its obvious it is a good method of growing with te right strain and skills, its giv me te horn for it, i'm planning on changing my whole room for this.

it also makes sense that not every plant of every strain is guna b a great winner, som mayb 1 GRAM wonders and others mite stretch thro the roof.

i'm not going in to this expecting a massive improvement but if i can get near wat i'm getting now while i learn and find the best types, SO B IT!

as far as the seeds being too close to strong lite, i had my seeds 15" away from a 600hps for a week b4 atmosphere posted 20", 15" didnt do them any harm.

[Haggis123]

Some valid comments there from Muddy Waters and Motaco.

Now taking those comments on-board which I do believe are valid, but as I said to Motaco in an earlier thread...we are aware that not all strains will like this style of growing but we are trying to build a strain list of strains that work and which don't.

So if you guy's know of any strains that do, do well and some that don't please feel free to compile a list and share with the board.
(Motaco, I saw the strains you posted earlier. Do you have any more you would like to share ??)

That way it will save peep's trying those strains that do, no good and try the ones that do....do good.

I can personally say that Nirvana AK48 is working well for me.

[motaco]

for the lights being that close you better be careful, some strains might be okay the day they come out of soil being that close to light, but many can have the first two leaves burned dead. And if they burn dead the plant stays alive but won't grow anymore. I've seen it more than a few times especially outdoors. but maybe yall don't have intense sunlight like we do this south? I don't know.

as far as the strains... it would be much easier to name the ones that did well than the ones that didn't.

pure sats, the oaxacas and hazes, etc etc. usually do good. in fact like 6-7 ft kinda good. other than pure sats I've only had a few bagseeds do pretty well, pure hawaiian molokai frost did good but its a pure hawaiian, ironically hawaiian sativa (fed) didn't do so well. looked pretty but didn't yield anything. cherry bomb two and humboldt select didn't do that bad. they were able to be packed in close. and homemade sativa hybrids did decent.

but thats it. decent.

there was a huge boom of this in the late 80's, that predated modern SOG style growing. Its on the growers evolutionary chart, its where SOG came from. as I said that is where the strain williams wonder came about. it was meant to be grown like that. but the whole thing was dropped about twenty years ago now because people moved onto more effective methods.

when you flower from seed your coming up with a tremendous amount of hope. Each plant will be different, quality-growth-everything of course. So the general idea is you plant a TON of seeds hope for half and half m/f, sex them in two weeks so as they get bigger they have more light, weed out the weak and pack as many plants as you can into the light range and they flower in 60 days and the idea is to have a SOG type thing going on but only be 60 days seed to harvest and not have to bother with all the cloning and so forth of a SOG or even the veg stage. Trying to beat the GE calculator by knocking a month off it.

like I said its not a new idea, and if you do it enough you will abandon it like all the growers before you have. because when it comes down to it the bottom line is that with the exception of a rare few strains, your cabinet gets filled with SOG buds. but the variation, and inevitably lower yields than modern grows will drive you away from it.

Some plants yield a half or an ounce in 60days from seed. I'm aware of that. most don't. so if your trying to compile a list of special strains to breed and make your own seeds and everything you'd be MUCH better done to drop the necessary breeding area required with this style of growing to accomodate the hundreds of beans you'll need for each grow (or buying hundreds of dollars of seeds). And turn the space into a small mother cabinet that can have consistent, potent, yielding, results. which is exactly what people have done. its the modern SOG method. this is a lil history lesson of how growing techniques have gotten to where they are today.

So the only viable uses for this method in my humble but well done opinon are to fit lanky sativas indoors, to find a mother quickly, to get a grow off in a short amount of time, run a test grow of seeds, or to fill in empty spaces in your room.

I mean if you so happen to have 10,000 beans you got somewhere free that yield an ounce in 60 days than great. more power to you. but I wouldn't go about investing and certainly not reccomending this method of growing, and I don't know any real respected growers who would reccomend it for anything other than pure sativas or regional strains adapted to those flower cycles.

sorry if I came across like an asshole, but I'm not going to have a far more inexperienced grower than I am tell me I'm full of shit and spreading misinformation because I said expect alot of runt plants.

but good luck to you with your grows, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just saying out of the thousands of growers who were doing this since the 80's and now you can't find anyone really promoting it for anything but pure sativas. let that speak for something. Only hal is promoting it because (as best I can tell, if you've done it a bunch speak up) he talked to a few people and saw a thread at OG, so he was going to reccomend to everyone that you can get 1gpw yields in 60 days and you should try it, its revolutionary style of growing.

but this is my knowledge on the subject, and its not bullshit. peace.

skunk


lavender


cherry bomb 2

[Haggis123]

Motaco, for me, Hal and probably the other dudes that are trying it or contemplating trying it.....it is nothing more than an experiment and worth doing if you ain't relying on the yield as your sole harvest.

I have got 7 other clone's on the go at the mo' so I ain't entirely relying on this method as my sole grow.

I read the original posting before we moved to here, had some spare beans and thought why not......nothing to loose and if I get a smoke a little quicker then let it roll.
I watched and waited and thought I would get next to nothing from it, now I ain't saying that I am going to yield anywhere close to something that has been vegged for 5-6 weeks.......but I for one am definately surprised at how well the AK has taken to it.
The plant is pretty much pure bud from top to bottom.

So I take on board what you are saying but it's only an experiment and if we can compile a strain list along the way all the better.

"Peace" an' all that, and a big up for the 12/12 growers.....lol..

[chronic50s]

Hey Motaco.....

I've been reading what you've had to say about the 12/12 from seed method, and it seems to me like you've done quite a few grows this way.

But all Hal is trying to do here is get a decent strain report using this style of growing.

All you really did was bash this method, why not post the strains you tried that were bad, and post the strains that were good, instead of all that drama...

Now get to those strain reports dude!!

It'll for sure help the newbies who do want to try this out by them knowing what strains not to choose....

Chronic

[Haggis123]

Originally Posted by chronic50s

Hey Motaco.....

I've been reading what you've had to say about the 12/12 from seed method, and it seems to me like you've done quite a few grows this way.

But all Hal is trying to do here is get a decent strain report using this style of growing.

All you really did was bash this method, why not post the strains you tried that were bad, and post the strains that were good, instead of all that drama...

Now get to those strain reports dude!!

It'll for sure help the newbies who do want to try this out by them knowing what strains not to choose....

Chronic

That's what I been saying an' all.
We are just doing it for a giggle and to find which are good and which are not.
Along with getting more peep's to give it a go if they got a few spare beans.

We ain't trying to get ourselves on the front cover of High-Times or nothing....lol.

I'm getting really sick of this. I'm not going to bother listing all the instances of where Motaco is bashing this method, over and over and over again. He paints a picture that suggests this method is for the most part worthless. That is not what I saw on the thread at OG, and it isn't what I have experienced with 2 grows now. I have to believe my own eyes and experience, more than the say-so of someone who makes claims but doesn't care to show any tangible evidence with grow reports and photos of grows done with this method.

Motaco talks a good game, damn that guy is wordy..likes to type I guess. Feels the need to keep coming back to this thread and state the same criticisms over and over and over again. We've never said that this method will work for all strains, thats why we want to get a strain report going. The thing that set me off at the beginning was Motaco's claim that yields of 1 damn gram were gonna show up rather often, and I STILL say that is very farfetched. That is the kind of statement that will discourage growers from trying this, and that is the reason for this thread, to get people to try it and report on there results.

I've seen too many people get real good results from growing this way. Motaco obviously disagrees, and he has made that abundantly clear in his numerous posts so far on this thread. He has gotten his point across...there is no need to say anymore. Let this thread do what it is intended to do, and let the chips fall where they may. But lets get on with the experiment, and stop the trash-talking. Please.

[highonthechroni]

All it boils down to is personal experience.

[stihgnobevoli]

im not gonna claim to be an expert grower or nothing, but...

Ive read a lot and back when OG was around r.i.p it contained a wealth of knowledge. Man i now understand why the feds shut it down. it had like 125,000+ members and years of research all collected in one spot.

but anyway there were lots of debates on OG about 12/12 from seed. and the consensu that was reached was that you can grow from seed on any light schedule you want because the plants wont flower until they are mature anyway. Some plants will be 1gram wonders like motaco claims. but thats the exception not the rule. Most plants will grow like normal using the 12 hours of light to produce energy for growth and when they reach a mature age they will start flowering. its not like just because the plants start from seed at 12/12 they will just not grow and instead start working on producing flowers.

its just like some plants wont flower under 12/12 for a full month after the switch and some will show sex in 3 days. it all depends on the plant and when it reaches maturity.


anyway Hal im growing some 12/12 from seed. ill post here from time to time with updates or if you just want a report at the end ill give you that too.