[drew1503]

T-5 System
3 Gallon Square Pots
4 Club Clones ( Bare Roots)
Canna Coco/Perlite 50/50
Canna A/B
Rhizotonic
CannaZym
Feeding every watering,started at 1/4 dose and have moved up slowly, new growth is healthy. I had to keep them in water bare rooted one night becasue i did not have any nutes to feed them. I planted these on Sunday the 4th. Can anyone help, I have done 6 soil grows ( 2 did not make it ) with no major issues and now this! What is wrong with my plants? I do not have a ph meter, it broke last night and I am feeding tap water, which is normally pretty good considering.

They look like they haven't acclimated to their new home quite yet.

What are your temperatures?

Also the perlite might be holding a lot of water if they are drooping like that.

[gaiusmarius]

it looks like a typical transplant shock. for now stop A+B for a day or two and stick with rhizotonic, the thing is rhizotonic has a tendency to up your ph level and needs ph minus to adjust it again. so without a ph meter you are probably feeding them with a ph of 8.0 which would explain the transplant shock.

the other thing is to stop the cannazym for now, as it's not needed until a few weeks have passed.

the other question i have is how well did you water them? they look a bit dry.

try and get some cheap ph paper measuring strips, so you can at least stay close to ph 6.0 what ever you are adding.

unless you are using coco as a supplement in earth, the ph is very important., as coco will take on the ph of the nutrient solution you are giving it with time.

[GreenStreet]

Hi Drew,
Your plants don't look like they hardened off yet and I agree with the others that they look over watered.

1. Carefully remove your plants from the coco and dry out your medium and flush it if you can to get any ferts out.

2. Replant your cuts in the medium and bury the stem so just the leaves are above the coco line.

3. For the next 2 days lightly mist the plants, but don't water the medium. Make sure the coco is damp but not too moist. Rhizo works well on cuttings if you add some to a sprayer bottle and mist your plants with it.

4. Make sure the air circulation is decent near the cuttings. Your plants should rebound rather quickly, within a day or so. Its important to harden off cuttings or drooping will happen.

Your grow should be fine after this. Good luck.
GS

[gaiusmarius]

GreenStreet always make sure to tell folks to turn their lamps off before they spray anything on plants specially young clones. spraying with the hps on can burn them real bad.

i would also not take them out of their pots, that's maybe one way, but i would just flush the coco with the plant still in it, if you feel that you have over done the food. just a bit a patience should do it, although a good ph really would help you so much.

[GreenStreet]

Hi gaius,
Don't take this the wrong way, but your advice doesn't address the situation his plants are currently in and may lead to worsen his current situation.

1. Plants that young shouldn't be anywhere close to an HPS bulb, and his post states that he using a T5.

2. If he doesn't repot his plants, the medium won't be dry enough to allow the plants to recover quickly.

3. If he flushes the current medium their in, it will only worsen the situation. Get it dry then lightly moisten the coco. I would also change the mix to alittle more coco than 50/50. Try a mix with alittle more coco.

Drew, try the method I sent you an you'll see a difference within 24 hrs. That's what makes these forums effective. Getting advice from a wide range of growers.
Good luck everyone,
GS

[drew1503]

Thank you everyone for the responses, really appreciated. The temps are around 70 to 75 depending on the time of day. I will go get a PH meter today at the hydro shop, might as well dop a little $$ and not be cheap, hell I have already spent a nice amount on Clones, medium, nutes, etc... I have taken your advice and did stop the A/B and Cannazym as well and they look better this morning, i will post some pis in a minute. I did not water them last night because I have been drenching them and it did look like a little over watering for a minute, but them again this is a different medium than i am used!
Oh yeah a little more about the home, they are in a 4x4x8 box and I also have a cool tube with a 1000W HPS that they will go under when they are strong enough, I also have a 465 CFM vortex and a CAN filter for the smell but it seems I need a new one which is odd because at the end of my last run, it started to stink and I live in a condo so I cannot be having that. Here are some pics of my last grow.

[GreenStreet]

Nice lookin plants Drew. Really nice & fat cola's. I think over watering was the problem.
Get them in some dry coco and they'll rebound in no time. Keep those little guys away from that HPS like you said until their ready for it. At first I thought those buds came from the T5 and almost fell over, until you mentioned the 1000 watter. Nice Grow.
GS

[gaiusmarius]

what a pity people don't understand that coco has enough air in it even when drenched as long as it can drain freely. taking plants back out of their new homes is a total last resort. first you correct the basics like ph and ec, once thats under control it is only a mater of a day of patience for the water to be used up that you flushed with. dude i have done this stuff a thousand times and know what i'm telling him from experience, not from reading up on the subject.

taking the plant out of it's pot now, will put even more stress on the plant then the transplant at the wrong ph has already cause.

but thanks for your opinion, even if i have never heard of a person taking the plant out of it's pot again because of excess water. i mean we are talking coco here and perlit, not soil for crying out loud.

keep up the good work drew, a ph meter will help a lot same as a bit of time, they will come round. no use loving your plants to death, that's a typical newbee thing, can't leave well enough alone, lol.

peace
gm

[drew1503]

As Promised, here are the update pictures from today after last night of not watering and the feed before was just Riz. Thanks GM and GS, I am a noob at the coco, but I have 6 other grows with soil so I think I have the basics down but coco is another beast in itself. They are perking up more and coming back to life, new growth is healthy.