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Mo Budz · 02-07-2007, 10:51 AM

This is my first run with coco, and so far it has been a blast. I started this thred over at another forum, but thought I'd bring it over here to share. Here it is in its current form........

Well....It's been real hard to find any info on the web about this stuff, and the only stuff I read about it wasn't very good, so I thought I would give it a shot, and see if I can do it some justice. I still got some time before I get things started, but I wanted to share a little info of whats to come. Here is the complete lineup of what will be ran in my res, and also what I will be using to grow my medicinal crop in.

Monkey Juice Bloom A&B
Mother Earth Tea Bloom
G.E. Humic Acid
G.E. Fulvic Acid
B52
Barricade
Carbo Load
Sensizym
Hammerhead

For my medium, I will be using a very coarse coco made by sunleaves. The stuff has a starting ph of 5.9, and has about 600ppm's of tds. The stuff will be flushed, and then soaked with a light dose (250ppms) of the above fertilizers before planting. The strains will be Gumbolt, Trainwreck, Lavender, and Strawberry Cough as of right now. This might change tho once I get everything rolling. Containers will be 2 gallon squar pots, and there will be 15 in a 2x4 tray. Watering will be done with a recirculating drip setup, with a 18 gallon res for the nutes. They will get 5 - 3 min. waterings each 12hrs of light, and a res change every week. Hopefully the coco will not conflict with the tds in the res, and if so, some adjustments will have to be made in the watering schedule.

This is all kind of uncharted territory for me, as I have always been an organic soil grower (with little hydro experience), but I got a really good deal on the nutes, and the guy at my local shop wanted some input from growers about the monkey juice, so he gave me some to try out. If you guys see any holes in my gameplan, please feel free to drop in, and set me straight. I will still be running my soil garden along side, but I have been really wanting to do a hydro setup for some time now. So if things start to get ugly............ at least I can say I tried. Here are a few pics of the products.

Mo Budz · 02-07-2007, 10:55 AM

I planned on using the Hammerhead in place of the Big Bud, and Overdrive. I noticed that its a replacement for Canna's P-K 13/14, so it seemed right to use it in a pure coco run. Here is a little experiment I did to see if the ppm's would add up like the calculater using the hammerhead in stead of the others. Its based off the Monkey Juice Bloom light feeding schedule. Week 4 maxes out at 1200 ppms, so I wanted to try and get close to that with the products that I have using the rates from the calc.

(all mixed at rates for 1 gallon of water)

Monkey Juice Bloom A&B - 690 ppm
Mother Earth Tea Bloom - 755
G.E. Humic Acid - 756
G.E. Fulvic Acid - 765
B52 - 935
Barricade - 965
Carbo Load - 965
Sensizym - 966
Hammerhead (@1ml/L) - 1080
Hammerhead (@2ml/L) - 1190

I might have to feed them more or less depending on how they're growing, but I will just use this as a base to start with. The numbers are right on the money tho, so hopefully things will move along smoothly. More to come soon....

Mo Budz · 02-07-2007, 10:57 AM

Well, it took me a little more waiting then I wanted to, but I finally got my coco setup going. I am vegging them right now in 3.5 inch containers for 10 days, then they will be put in the above setup to flower in. So far so good, they look awsome, and are growing really fast. The roots are super white and fuzzy, and are growing out of control. I am treating these kind of like a hydro setup, and right now they get watered 6 times a day for 5 min. I started my ppm's at around 250, and have now stepped up to about 500. More pics to come as this starts movin along, and hopefully I can do the Monkey Juice some justice (since there is much to say on the net about it).

Here are a few pics of my veg setup that I constructed out of a oil drain pan bought at wallmart ($9.00), a 66gph submersable pump ($6.00), drip lines and stakes (15@ .75 cents), 1/2 inch rubber tube (leftovers). The whole setup cost around $20.00, and was very easy to construct. The oil drain pan holds 2 1/2 gallons of water, which is plenty for the little plants. I will post pics of the setup after I move them to the flowering chamber........

Mo Budz · 02-07-2007, 10:59 AM

Got my table built, tray mounted, flushed my coco, hooked up my drippers and pump, and got all my girls transplanted last night. They are all lookin lovely. From rooted clone, these were only vegged for 9 days, and the growth is amazing. Some are close to 12 inches tall, from a 4 inch clone. Got my first weeks nutes mixed up, and the starting ppm's are at 775, and ph is at 5.8. Hopefully they will enjoy their new bloom food, and continue to perform like they have been so far. I left out the inoculants (Piranaha, Tarantula, and Voodoo Juice), as I didnt want to overpopulate my res, and have too much ph imbalances. Here are some pics of the new setup, along with some more roots from transplant.

I am gonna be watchin' my girls very closely for this one, and hopefully I will not run into too many problems. On with the pics

Mo Budz · 02-07-2007, 11:04 AM

6 days into flowering, and I am blown away. The speed of growth on these girls is unreal to me. I'm thinkin it has alot to do with the airation of the medium, and the watering frequency. I just hope I have room for them under my lights. So far the res has been staying pretty consistant and the ph had drifted up slightly, but they will be getting a res change in a couple days and I think the coco does a better job handling the ph swings over clay or rockwool.

I also upgraded my drip setup for better coverage of the water. The surface of the coco seemed to be drying out way too fast, so I drilled little holes in some 1/4 drip line, and encircled it around each plant. That way the coco has more points for moisture, then just one small 1/8th inch drip line. It is working like a charm, and I also included a pic of the new drip setup. I still have a long way ahead, and hopefully they will keep their health so I can put on a good show for you guys. Thanks for stoppin in, and more to come soon.

Mo Budz · 02-07-2007, 11:05 AM

Here's a few more pics, of the girls at week 1. Just changed the res today, and bumped up the ppm's to 950 to start out week 2. The ph is set at 5.8, and they are lookin very good. I would also like to note that I have yet to experience any problems with floaters in my res, as I have seen others report on. I am using everything on the 2+ (Monkey Juice) program minus the big bud, benificials (voodoo, piranah, and tarantula), and sensizym (for now, ran out.... ). Res was nice and clean when I emptied it other then a little bit of a slimy film which I cleaned out b4 refilling. But everything is moving along, and the girls seem to be loving their new setup.

02-07-2007, 03:55 PM

yep def a tidy setup mo budz, cant wait to see it turn out mo budz

gaiusmarius · 02-07-2007, 06:37 PM

Hey Mo budz,

that's a wicked looking setup you have put together. really cool to see how the monkey juice does. the plants look very happy, they are showing that typical coco speed.

one thing you might want to consider, is keeping the res ph from raising too much. i would try and keep it from going above 6.1 just add a few drops of ph minus every few days.

great work, can't wait to see them in 6 weeks.

mojo42006 · 02-07-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Budz

I planned on using the Hammerhead in place of the Big Bud, and Overdrive. I noticed that its a replacement for Canna's P-K 13/14, so it seemed right to use it in a pure coco run. Here is a little experiment I did to see if the ppm's would add up like the calculater using the hammerhead in stead of the others. Its based off the Monkey Juice Bloom light feeding schedule. Week 4 maxes out at 1200 ppms, so I wanted to try and get close to that with the products that I have using the rates from the calc.

(all mixed at rates for 1 gallon of water)

Monkey Juice Bloom A&B - 690 ppm
Mother Earth Tea Bloom - 755
G.E. Humic Acid - 756
G.E. Fulvic Acid - 765
B52 - 935
Barricade - 965
Carbo Load - 965
Sensizym - 966
Hammerhead (@1ml/L) - 1080
Hammerhead (@2ml/L) - 1190

I might have to feed them more or less depending on how they're growing, but I will just use this as a base to start with. The numbers are right on the money tho, so hopefully things will move along smoothly. More to come soon....

Very nice setup you got there, you are going to be happy with the nutes you have, i am using the same nutes minus the fulvic and humic, i use the LK instead and dont be afraid to be aggressive with the A+B monkey juice, i also add some cal mag plus every other watering, the hammerhead will sure beef up your buds and add lots of frost, below is my thread to a couple of grows using the same nutes as above. Also you should add voodoo juice very awesome stuff!!

Doublegum in coco with AN nutes

THSeeds Honeymoon in coco

Mo Budz · 02-07-2007, 10:12 PM

Thanks guys for all the good vibes. These girls will be getting a nute change tonight, and I will be snapping some more pics of them at day 14 of flowering.

Slickster, I have these babies growin under a 1000w hortilux right now, and they are soakin it up to the fullest.

Thanks for the advise Gaiusmarius. I have been starting my ph at 5.8 with each res change, but it has been drifting up throughout the week. The highest it has been gettin up to b4 I added some ph down was 6.4, so hopefully thats not too high. That is one thing that I am trying to figure out is the ph drift because it does move up pretty quickly, but for the first few days after the res change it floats around 6.2. But at the rate they are growing, I can handle a little ph flux if it pays off in the end.

Mojo, thanks man for the info. I picked up a bottle of some sensi-cal, and used it at 1/2 strength at the end of week 1. Keepin that stuff around just in case any def's show up. I have also been thinkin about tryin out that Liquid Karma instead of the Humic and Fulvic. Have you noticed any real improvements with the stuff?

Thanks again guys, and I will have more to show by tomarrow.

02-07-2007, 10:51 AM	#1
Mo Budz Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARS Posts: 97	Monkey Juice Test Run (Pure Coco) This is my first run with coco, and so far it has been a blast. I started this thred over at another forum, but thought I'd bring it over here to share. Here it is in its current form........ Well....It's been real hard to find any info on the web about this stuff, and the only stuff I read about it wasn't very good, so I thought I would give it a shot, and see if I can do it some justice. I still got some time before I get things started, but I wanted to share a little info of whats to come. Here is the complete lineup of what will be ran in my res, and also what I will be using to grow my medicinal crop in. Monkey Juice Bloom A&B Mother Earth Tea Bloom G.E. Humic Acid G.E. Fulvic Acid B52 Barricade Carbo Load Sensizym Hammerhead For my medium, I will be using a very coarse coco made by sunleaves. The stuff has a starting ph of 5.9, and has about 600ppm's of tds. The stuff will be flushed, and then soaked with a light dose (250ppms) of the above fertilizers before planting. The strains will be Gumbolt, Trainwreck, Lavender, and Strawberry Cough as of right now. This might change tho once I get everything rolling. Containers will be 2 gallon squar pots, and there will be 15 in a 2x4 tray. Watering will be done with a recirculating drip setup, with a 18 gallon res for the nutes. They will get 5 - 3 min. waterings each 12hrs of light, and a res change every week. Hopefully the coco will not conflict with the tds in the res, and if so, some adjustments will have to be made in the watering schedule. This is all kind of uncharted territory for me, as I have always been an organic soil grower (with little hydro experience), but I got a really good deal on the nutes, and the guy at my local shop wanted some input from growers about the monkey juice, so he gave me some to try out. If you guys see any holes in my gameplan, please feel free to drop in, and set me straight. I will still be running my soil garden along side, but I have been really wanting to do a hydro setup for some time now. So if things start to get ugly............ at least I can say I tried. Here are a few pics of the products. __________________ "Family First" Last edited by Mo Budz; 02-07-2007 at 10:55 AM..
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02-07-2007, 10:55 AM	#2
Mo Budz Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARS Posts: 97	I planned on using the Hammerhead in place of the Big Bud, and Overdrive. I noticed that its a replacement for Canna's P-K 13/14, so it seemed right to use it in a pure coco run. Here is a little experiment I did to see if the ppm's would add up like the calculater using the hammerhead in stead of the others. Its based off the Monkey Juice Bloom light feeding schedule. Week 4 maxes out at 1200 ppms, so I wanted to try and get close to that with the products that I have using the rates from the calc. (all mixed at rates for 1 gallon of water) Monkey Juice Bloom A&B - 690 ppm Mother Earth Tea Bloom - 755 G.E. Humic Acid - 756 G.E. Fulvic Acid - 765 B52 - 935 Barricade - 965 Carbo Load - 965 Sensizym - 966 Hammerhead (@1ml/L) - 1080 Hammerhead (@2ml/L) - 1190 I might have to feed them more or less depending on how they're growing, but I will just use this as a base to start with. The numbers are right on the money tho, so hopefully things will move along smoothly. More to come soon.... __________________ "Family First"
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02-07-2007, 10:57 AM	#3
Mo Budz Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARS Posts: 97	Well, it took me a little more waiting then I wanted to, but I finally got my coco setup going. I am vegging them right now in 3.5 inch containers for 10 days, then they will be put in the above setup to flower in. So far so good, they look awsome, and are growing really fast. The roots are super white and fuzzy, and are growing out of control. I am treating these kind of like a hydro setup, and right now they get watered 6 times a day for 5 min. I started my ppm's at around 250, and have now stepped up to about 500. More pics to come as this starts movin along, and hopefully I can do the Monkey Juice some justice (since there is much to say on the net about it). Here are a few pics of my veg setup that I constructed out of a oil drain pan bought at wallmart ($9.00), a 66gph submersable pump ($6.00), drip lines and stakes (15@ .75 cents), 1/2 inch rubber tube (leftovers). The whole setup cost around $20.00, and was very easy to construct. The oil drain pan holds 2 1/2 gallons of water, which is plenty for the little plants. I will post pics of the setup after I move them to the flowering chamber........ __________________ "Family First"
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02-07-2007, 10:59 AM	#4
Mo Budz Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARS Posts: 97	Update!!! Got my table built, tray mounted, flushed my coco, hooked up my drippers and pump, and got all my girls transplanted last night. They are all lookin lovely. From rooted clone, these were only vegged for 9 days, and the growth is amazing. Some are close to 12 inches tall, from a 4 inch clone. Got my first weeks nutes mixed up, and the starting ppm's are at 775, and ph is at 5.8. Hopefully they will enjoy their new bloom food, and continue to perform like they have been so far. I left out the inoculants (Piranaha, Tarantula, and Voodoo Juice), as I didnt want to overpopulate my res, and have too much ph imbalances. Here are some pics of the new setup, along with some more roots from transplant. I am gonna be watchin' my girls very closely for this one, and hopefully I will not run into too many problems. On with the pics __________________ "Family First" Last edited by Mo Budz; 02-07-2007 at 11:07 AM..
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02-07-2007, 11:04 AM	#5
Mo Budz Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARS Posts: 97	6 days into flowering, and I am blown away. The speed of growth on these girls is unreal to me. I'm thinkin it has alot to do with the airation of the medium, and the watering frequency. I just hope I have room for them under my lights. So far the res has been staying pretty consistant and the ph had drifted up slightly, but they will be getting a res change in a couple days and I think the coco does a better job handling the ph swings over clay or rockwool. I also upgraded my drip setup for better coverage of the water. The surface of the coco seemed to be drying out way too fast, so I drilled little holes in some 1/4 drip line, and encircled it around each plant. That way the coco has more points for moisture, then just one small 1/8th inch drip line. It is working like a charm, and I also included a pic of the new drip setup. I still have a long way ahead, and hopefully they will keep their health so I can put on a good show for you guys. Thanks for stoppin in, and more to come soon. __________________ "Family First"
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02-07-2007, 11:05 AM	#6
Mo Budz Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARS Posts: 97	Here's a few more pics, of the girls at week 1. Just changed the res today, and bumped up the ppm's to 950 to start out week 2. The ph is set at 5.8, and they are lookin very good. I would also like to note that I have yet to experience any problems with floaters in my res, as I have seen others report on. I am using everything on the 2+ (Monkey Juice) program minus the big bud, benificials (voodoo, piranah, and tarantula), and sensizym (for now, ran out.... ). Res was nice and clean when I emptied it other then a little bit of a slimy film which I cleaned out b4 refilling. But everything is moving along, and the girls seem to be loving their new setup. __________________ "Family First"
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02-07-2007, 03:55 PM	#7
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	yep def a tidy setup mo budz, cant wait to see it turn out mo budz
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02-07-2007, 06:37 PM	#8
gaiusmarius Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,619	Hey Mo budz, that's a wicked looking setup you have put together. really cool to see how the monkey juice does. the plants look very happy, they are showing that typical coco speed. one thing you might want to consider, is keeping the res ph from raising too much. i would try and keep it from going above 6.1 just add a few drops of ph minus every few days. great work, can't wait to see them in 6 weeks. __________________ Making BubbleHash with Bubbleator Searching for SourPoison, AfghanDieselHaze and CheeseHaze keeper making canna butter
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02-07-2007, 10:12 PM	#10
Mo Budz Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARS Posts: 97	Thanks guys for all the good vibes. These girls will be getting a nute change tonight, and I will be snapping some more pics of them at day 14 of flowering. Slickster, I have these babies growin under a 1000w hortilux right now, and they are soakin it up to the fullest. Thanks for the advise Gaiusmarius. I have been starting my ph at 5.8 with each res change, but it has been drifting up throughout the week. The highest it has been gettin up to b4 I added some ph down was 6.4, so hopefully thats not too high. That is one thing that I am trying to figure out is the ph drift because it does move up pretty quickly, but for the first few days after the res change it floats around 6.2. But at the rate they are growing, I can handle a little ph flux if it pays off in the end. Mojo, thanks man for the info. I picked up a bottle of some sensi-cal, and used it at 1/2 strength at the end of week 1. Keepin that stuff around just in case any def's show up. I have also been thinkin about tryin out that Liquid Karma instead of the Humic and Fulvic. Have you noticed any real improvements with the stuff? Thanks again guys, and I will have more to show by tomarrow. __________________ "Family First"
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