[pipeline]

What is STS, BC? Will the seed be feminized if you make an S1? Will they be usable as a genetic resource? Don't want to be throwin hermi genes everywhere.....

I'm not so sure about adding carbohydrate to a growing medium..... Unless there is a single beneficial microorganism being cultured, there likely are numerous types of bacteria and some could be pathogenic. The added food could make them get up to a large enough population to do some damage..... I say KISS, but everyone has their ways.....

Molasses thread: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46767

[beancounter]

STS is silver trisulphate and to my knowledge the best/safest/most reliable way to produce selfed seeds.. I am not a fan of any of the other selfing methods.. I think most methods are nothing more than shitty enviroment, which is different from full reversal..

I surely don't pretend to know everyting about selfing.. the above is jus the jist I've gotten from reading up on all the dif methods and results from said methods..

I'll be selfing Bubba, Cheese, ECSD, and any of my other favorite clones jus so I can have backups in case my mother room gets wiped out.. or somethin else happens..

They're not for breeding, they're for personal use and friend perhaps.. and exercising this method and any breeding method (even the questionable ones) can only add to my understanding of the plant and it's ability to breed..


thanks for the additional thought on using the pure cane juice.. I'll stick with molasses.. tried and true..

I am convinced by what i've seen with my own eyes that S1s can produce some stunning results..

i have been thinking i want to self my clone-only stuff as well as seeds are just a more permanent storage technique. i have been impressed by what i have seen from s1 seeds and for personal breeding experiements, i think its a great resource.

that being said, i dont think it has a place in "true" breeding techniques. in some cases, it tends to muddy up the gene pool, imo.

so the quest begins, lets see if we cant find beancounter a better insomnia strain! :wink:

Originally Posted by beancounter

STS is silver trisulphate and to my knowledge the best/safest/most reliable way to produce selfed seeds.. I am not a fan of any of the other selfing methods.. I think most methods are nothing more than shitty enviroment, which is different from full reversal..

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Hola BC, just my 2 cents and dont take it personal, but why, in my mind would anyone use a chemical on there plant, that ya dont even want to get it on your skin? STS is some nasty shit, plain and simple.

ive done some S1s just lettin um go long, and harvestin the late nanners, and ive used light poisenin as well, which imo works great. a point to keep in mind is harvestin pollens off one plant and hittin another cut of the selfed plant.

just now tryin collidal silver, which a friend uses with great success, 100% fem from what hes looked at. collidal silver as you prolly know, is used as a medication and is drinkable, no poisen with this method at all. ya can bathe in it.

might want to check into usin it instead of the STS concoction.

CBF

[beancounter]

yes, you are right cbf, i was confusing the 2 'silvers'... I meant the CS for being the safest...

But the STS is what i will try 1st, as it was a gift, and as you know the STS S1s have produces some good results..


I have a sandblaster/cabinet, and alot of 'proper' safty gear and plenty of isolation areas far away from the garden, so i'm not too worried about the toxicity of STS.. I'm more concerned with the results at this point.. I'd like to get my faves done asap jus in case..

I will look into the CS a lil more, jus the last time i looked into it i wasn't as serious about S1ing my mums, and there's more to the process (making it, batteries, etc, altho i have plenty of silver).. Can u buy the CS premade?


If i had to foot the bill I woulda went with CS, but since it was free I'm gonna give STS a whirl... with all due precautions of course..

And i apologize for the mixup i don't want to give anyone any misleading info regarding toxic chems...




H&L, I was hoping an praying the 80-85 day Bubba bubble hash would do the trick on my insomnia, if anything would.. I smoked about a gram of it in about a 1/2 hr period and was still up for another 5 hrs..

I've kinda given up hope on finding an indica that'll help, as the Bubble was much stronger than any indica i've ever had.. But maybe i'll get lucky one day.. it's all about finding something that'll match yer body chem..

And the above is why everyone should take any of my potency smoke reports with a grain of salt, i'm a fairly poor judge of potency because of my tolerance.. it makes it harder to notice small dif/changes..




Sorry Bobbie, not yet.. they're still jus doin their thing, 13 days of 12-12 and stretchin along.. give me another week to let stretch finish so i can give peeps a better idea of what to expect..

[cavalleysmoker]

Great thread beancounter... The fan leaves from the last update are very pleasing to the eye.. Love the shape of those leaves you can see a bit of Kush shining through from the Bubba... And I'm sure the DC has similar leaves anyway... Lookin good though.

I have a couple questions if you'd mind taking the time, I skimmed over all the pages to see if youd already answered em yet but there is so much info... Not a bad thing at all, your posts are refreshingly informative and well thought out ... But hard to spot little tidbits of info in all the text.

-Which do you prefer personally, the Bubba or the Deep Chunk? I'm sure they both have their strengths and weaknesses but if you had to choose one.
-Could you tell me which strain is stronger in the potency dept. in your opinion?
-Which one would you prefer to grow (i.e. ease of growth, traits you like, etc.) if you had to give one up for good?
- And finally, how does the Bubba Chunk smell so far? Could you please explain a bit... It'll be cool to see which nuances of smell carried through from the parents, if at all.

Sorry for all the questions, your thread caught my eye though, and I'm an indica lover at heart as well... Your hybrid looks great, I really hope shes a keeper. Great pics... These are the kind of threads I love. Watchin another Indy-lover tend a homemade hybrid, detailed and informative posts, just a plain ol good atmosphere. (Missin from a lot of the other threads IMO)

keep it green brother. regards, cvs

[beancounter]

Originally Posted by cavalleysmoker

Great thread beancounter... The fan leaves from the last update are very pleasing to the eye.. Love the shape of those leaves you can see a bit of Kush shining through from the Bubba... And I'm sure the DC has similar leaves anyway... Lookin good though.

thanks bro.. i am loving the way they're looking aswell.. essentialy larger (longer/phatter) versions of Bubba's leaves.. I suspect a quick bx should make it a lil less DC dom..

I have a couple questions if you'd mind taking the time, I skimmed over all the pages to see if youd already answered em yet but there is so much info... Not a bad thing at all, your posts are refreshingly informative and well thought out ... But hard to spot little tidbits of info in all the text.

no worries bro, sincere and well thought out questions will always get the same type of response.. :smile: It's gonna be hard to keep these answers simple.. but i'll try..

-Which do you prefer personally, the Bubba or the Deep Chunk? I'm sure they both have their strengths and weaknesses but if you had to choose one.

Bubba

-Could you tell me which strain is stronger in the potency dept. in your opinion?

Well, I am not the best to judge, I've only been able to run the same keeper DC cut selected from a pack of HTC, i believe 6 fems), so only 1 fem.. I don't want to base the potency of the whole line on that 1 female.. so take this with a grain of salt..

But I'd have to say Bubba.. but I've heard of certain DC phenos being extremely potent, and perhaps even more so than Bubba, but the friend who has mentioned this wants to do some more comparos..

And I'd have to say that some DCs are definately as potent or moreso than some of the Bubba cuts being circulated..

-Which one would you prefer to grow (i.e. ease of growth, traits you like, etc.) if you had to give one up for good?

Bubba (slightly faster, can be topped easier, yeilds better, and better taste and potency)

*BUT that is for smoking purposes only... the breeding potential alone of DC evens the scales for keepability, but everyone doesn't breed..

- And finally, how does the Bubba Chunk smell so far? Could you please explain a bit... It'll be cool to see which nuances of smell carried through from the parents, if at all.

well, the strange thing is... that the kastu and DCs I've run so far.. (keeper DC fem, 3 males) smell almost identical in veg, like indentical.. they stay smelling the same right until harvest.. It's only after the dry where the differences show thru.. For some reason the DC jus doesn't retain it's Bubbaness flavor after dry.. But I'm gonna try the DC organic and some more DC fems before making any final judgements..

If you don't know what Bubba smells like i'll explain more, but i'm pretty sure you know the dank-coffee-musky-slightly skunky smell of Bubba.. it's pretty much the same way i'd decribe DC, altho DC may be a lil more musty.. but i would guess 95% of growers would never tell the difference..

Bottom line.. if you are growing only to smoke the best herb possible, the Bubba is the one for you.. If you have any plans to breed, whether presently or deep into the future, I can't recomend DC enough..

A quality Bubba cut is great stuff, but a pure indica, true-breeding old skewl 'ghani has much more long term value, and is much more important to the growing community as a whole than a clone only..

At the same time, from what i've seen, read, and heard so far, Bubba is likely one of the better clones in terms of breeding and stability.. from the 'suspected' or 'speculated' lineage on bubba it sounds like a simple poly.. but she seems more stable than any poly i've seen..

Sorry for all the questions, your thread caught my eye though, and I'm an indica lover at heart as well... Your hybrid looks great, I really hope shes a keeper. Great pics... These are the kind of threads I love. Watchin another Indy-lover tend a homemade hybrid, detailed and informative posts, just a plain ol good atmosphere. (Missin from a lot of the other threads IMO)

keep it green brother. regards, cvs

i apreciate the apreciation of this thread, and it's nice to feel that you're doing something worthwhile..

I just wanna do any and everything I do breeding-wise in the public for all to see and discuss.. no questions are too 'hard', and honesty is of the utmost importance..


Anyone who gets the chance to test my beans is encouraged to be as honest and critical as possible.. I don't want any fluff or exagerations, just the truth.. Ass kissing will not be rewarded.

[cavalleysmoker]

thanks bro.. i am loving the way they're looking aswell.. essentialy larger (longer/phatter) versions of Bubba's leaves.. I suspect a quick bx should make it a lil less DC dom..

Sounds pretty good. It might be nice to have Bubba in seed form (kinda) for back up or something, or for a bit of pheno gold-digging. You mentioned how similar Bubba and DC are to begin with... a Bubba x (Bubba/DC) backcross should be pretty Bubba-y by default... And being primarily Bubba in makeup, I dont imagine it would be very difficult to find what you're looking for.

If you don't know what Bubba smells like i'll explain more, but i'm pretty sure you know the dank-coffee-musky-slightly skunky smell of Bubba.. it's pretty much the same way i'd decribe DC, altho DC may be a lil more musty.. but i would guess 95% of growers would never tell the difference...

I know the smell of Bubba very well. I've always described it as smooth coffee with hints of that catpiss/skunk "Kush smell". It's actually been awhile since I've had any though, that's partly why your thread caught my eye so much. I've wondered how the Bubba would do in hybrids... it'd be great to have a cross with Bubba-like taste and aroma, but without the tolerance buildup... I enjoy Bubba's smell and taste very much but it builds up tolerance too quickly IMO..Thats very interesting the BK and DC smell identical until harvest...

And I'd have to say that some DCs are definately as potent or moreso than some of the Bubba cuts being circulated.

That's interesting... Who would've thought a seedbank strain could top one of these "elite" clone-onlys? I knew there'd be some killer DC floating around... With seedlines comes the possibility of selection in large numbers (I'm sure you know the benefits of). DC has been out a few years IIRC, no surprise people have obtained some kickass specimens. It sucks how clone-onlys like Bubba can't be worked on without adding a completely different strain to the mix... Guess these elites do have their drawbacks after all.

A quality Bubba cut is great stuff, but a pure indica, true-breeding old skewl 'ghani has much more long term value, and is much more important to the growing community as a whole than a clone only..

Definately, your statement illustrates the point I made above. Bubba is good weed, but has those clone-only drawbacks... it sucks not being able to work the line directly like the tried'n'true "old skewls" you mentioned...(Just imagine sorting through Bubba Kush's brothers and sisters if she were a legit seedline )

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions... You definately got some cool stuff going on. Your own hybrid looks pretty promising... And the plans for a Bubba bx are pretty interesting, i'd love to see how that turns out. Anyway I want to see if your hybrid makes the grade, hope you don't mind having yet another Indica lover on board tagging along... ::Passes bong to beancounter::

best regards, cvs

hey BC, NP, just thought you may not have heard about the CS tech.

make sure ya put on your chem warfare suit before ya get to sprayin the STS,lol. i mean that to, ensure ya cover up well, rubber gloves, all body parts covered. when sprayin and turnin that solution into a mist that will go everywhere, make sure ya have a mask that will prevent you from inhalin that stuff. and dont touch those plants till they are good and dry, even after you have used it and are done. residual effects.

would hate to hear ya have pistils growin out your butt, LOL

take care bro
CBF

How's the stretch going with your Bubba Chunks BC? I'm waiting on your report before I throw them into flower. They look heavily DC dominant fo shure. These pics are just before a transplant. Sure are some heave feeders and drinkers. I've been vegging for about a month.













P.S.; I don't need any rewards and I surely will not kiss your ass

Peace
BM