|
in:
|
|
| Forums > Talk About It! > Medicinal Cannabis Forum > Marijuana Water Pipe and Vaporizer Study | ||
| Marijuana Water Pipe and Vaporizer Study | Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#1 |
|
Certified Bloomin' Idiot
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,741
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
[Note: this report was originally published in '96...
]Contrary to popular impression, waterpipes don't necessarily protect smokers from harmful tars in marijuana smoke, according to a new study sponsored by MAPS and California NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). The reason is that waterpipes filter out more psychoactive THC than they do other tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect. The study does not rule out the possibility that waterpipes could have other benefits, such as filtering out gases, but it suggests that other methods, such as the use of high potency marijuana, vaporizers, or oral ingestion are needed to avoid harmful toxins in marijuana smoke. Seven Devices Tested The study, which was supported by the Drug Policy Foundation and private donors, was conducted at a research lab with expertise in the analysis of various chemical properties of tobacco and marijuana. Researchers tested the smoke from seven different sources: a regular rolled joint, a joint with a cigarette filter, three different waterpipes, and two vaporizers, designed to heat marijuana to a temperature where psychoactive vapors form without producing smoke. The waterpipes included a standard bong (Picture #1), a small portable device with a folding pipestem (Picture #6), and a battery-operated model with a motorized paddle to thoroughly mix the smoke in the water (Picture #3). The first vaporizer (Picture #5), commercially produced in Canada, consisted of a battery-powered metal hot plate inside a jar to trap the marijuana vapor. The second (Picture #4) was a homemade, hybrid apparatus, in which vapors were produced by a hot air gun and then drawn through a beaker of water, thereby combining vaporization with water filtration. The smoke was produced from standard NIDA-supplied marijuana drawn through a smoking machine adjusted to mimic the puff length of marijuana smokers. Focus: Cannabinoid/Tar Ratio The study focused on two key components of the smoke: (1) total solid particulates, or tars, which are noxious waste by-products of burning leaf like those from tobacco; and (2) cannabinoids, the chemicals distinctive to marijuana, including its major psychoactive ingredient, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), and its two commonest chemical relatives, cannabinol (CBN) and cannabidiol (CBD), which are only weakly psychoactive but may have medical benefits. Like tobacco, marijuana tars are rich in carcinogenic compounds known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which are a prime culprit in smoking-related cancers. However, cannabinoids themselves are not carcinogenic. An obvious way to protect smokers' health is therefore to minimize the content of smoke tars relative to cannabinoids. One way to do this is to increase the THC potency of the marijuana. Assuming smokers adjust their smoke intake to the cannabinoid dosage, the higher the concentration of cannabinoids, the lower the amount of tars they are likely to consume. Another strategy is to try to reduce the tars in the smoke with some kind of filtering device. Obviously, this is beneficial only to the extent that THC isn't also reduced, thereby inducing users to smoke more to compensate. A major aim of the study was to determine the efficacy of various smoking devices at reducing the concentration of tars relative to cannabinoids. The performance of each device was accordingly rated in terms of the cannabinoid-to-tar ratio in its smokestream. Joints and Waterpipes Surprisingly, the unfiltered joint outperformed all devices except the vaporizers, with a ratio of about 1 part cannabinoids to 13 parts tar. This disturbingly poor ratio may be explained by the low potency of the NIDA-supplied marijuana used in the study, which was around 2.3%. Disappointingly, waterpipes performed uniformly worse than the unfiltered joint. The least bad waterpipe, the bong, produced 30% more tar per cannabinoids than the unfiltered joint. Ironically, the pipe with the electric mixer scored by far the worst of any device. This suggests that water filtration is actually counterproductive, apparently because water tends to absorb THC more readily than noxious tars. Like the waterpipes, the cigarette filter also performed worse than the unfiltered joint, by about 30%. Researchers speculate this is because cannabinoids are exceptionally sticky and adhere to other solids. Hence, any filtration system that picks up particulates is likely also to screen out cannabinoids. Vaporizers The vaporizer results appeared more promising, but confusing. The two vaporizers were the only devices to outscore unfiltered joints in terms of raw cannabinoid/tar ratio. The electric hotplate vaporizer did best, with a performance ratio about 25% higher than the unfiltered joint. The hot air gun was just marginally superior, but might have done better had it not been for its water filtration component. However, the situation was complicated by the fact that the cannabinoids produced by the electric hotplate vaporizer were unusually high in CBN, leaving 30% less THC as a percentage of the total cannabinoids than with the other smoking devices. Since CBN is not psychoactive like THC, recreational users might be expected to consume more smoke to make up for the deficit. (The situation may be different for medical users, who could experience other, medicinal benefits from CBN). For this reason, it seemed advisable to recompute the performance efficiencies of the vaporizers in terms of THC, rather than all cannabinoids. When this was done, the electric hotplate vaporizer turned out to have a lower THC/tar ratio than the unfiltered joint, while the hot air gun was still marginally higher. The reason for the excess CBN from the hotplate vaporizer remains unexplained. Because CBN is produced from THC by chemical oxidation, it has been suggested that the device somehow exposed the sample to too much oxygen. However, there is no evidence that this was the case. As for the second, hybrid vaporizer, it seems likely that its performance could have been improved by deleting its water component. The results clearly indicate that more developmental work needs to be done on vaporizers. Theoretically, an ideal vaporizer could minimize production of tars by holding the temperature just above 155 C, the point at which THC vaporizes, which is well below the temperature where carcinogenic hydrocarbons are thought to be produced. In practice, both vaporizers produced over ten times more tars than cannabinoids, indicating that there is plenty of room for improvement. In the late 1970s, a vaporizer known as the Tilt appeared on the market. According to the manufacturer, laboratory tests showed that it released 80% more THC and 79% less tar than a regular pipe, a performance ratio almost ten times better than any observed in this study. It is to be hoped that these impressive results can be replicated in the future. Unfortunately, the Tilt was withdrawn from the market in the early 1980s due to the passage of anti-paraphernalia laws. As for waterpipes, the prospects for improvement appear more dubious. It has been suggested that the performance of waterpipes could be improved by using liquids other than water or by changing the temperature of the liquid. However, it seems doubtful whether such tactics would circumvent the basic problem of separating the tars from the sticky cannabinoids.
__________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ICMAG OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637 A Library of Links https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=97792 How to replicate cannabis plants: ...various successful "cloning"/"cloner" techniques described w/ original posts linked https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382 A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SCIENTIFIC STUDIES REFERENCE GUIDE~2012~ https://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf Sharing Is Caring. IMB
Last edited by I.M. Boggled; 08-23-2004 at 05:11 AM.. |
|
|
|
|
|
#2 |
|
Certified Bloomin' Idiot
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,741
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() Are Waterpipes Counterproductive? The study results are obviously discomforting to waterpipe enthusiasts, many of whom prefer the cooler, milder smoke they produce, and have naturally assumed it is also more healthful. Unfortunately, however, the study indicates that waterpipes may actually be counterproductive in increasing consumption of carcinogenic tars. Nonetheless, it is still premature to judge that waterpipes are actually unhealthful, since they may filter out other, non-solid smoke toxins occurring in the gas phase of the smoke, which was not analyzed in the study. Noxious gases known to occur in marijuana smoke include hydrogen cyanide, which incapacitates the lung's defensive cilia; volatile phenols, which contribute to the harshness of the taste; aldehydes, which promote cancer; and carbon monoxide, a known risk factor in heart disease. Previous studies indicate that water filtration may be quite effective in absorbing some of these [Nicholas Cozzi, Effects of Water Filtration on Marijuana Smoke: A Literature Review, MAPS Newsletter, Vol. IV #2, 1993]. If so, waterpipes might still turn out to have net health benefits. MAPS and California NORML are planning to undertake a second phase of the waterpipe study for the purpose of analyzing the gaseous phase of marijuana smoke. In the meantime, the easiest way for most smokers to avoid harmful smoke toxins may be simply to smoke stronger marijuana. This strategy is apt to be more effective than any smoke filtration device. By simply replacing the low, 2.3% potency NIDA marijuana used in this study with high-quality 12%-sinsemilla, smokers could presumably reduce their tar intake by a factor of five while still achieving the same effect. Further improvements could be had by using pure THC or hash oil, which has been tested at potencies of 60%. The notion that high-potency marijuana is less harmful directly contradicts official government propaganda, which maintains that marijuana has become more dangerous since the '60s due to increased potency. This claim appears to rest less on scientific evidence than on the desire to frighten the public. A careful analysis of government data by Dr. John Morgan has shown that the supposed increase in potency has been greatly exaggerated [American Marijuana Potency: Data Versus Conventional Wisdom, NORML Reports (1994)]. In any case, however, there is no good reason to presume that higher potency marijuana is more harmful, given the potential respiratory benefits of reduced smoke consumption. The hazards of excessive potency are purported to be an increased risk of acute overdose and greater susceptibility to dependency. However, both problems can be avoided if users adjust their dosage to potency. For most users, such hazards may well be outweighed by the benefits of reduced smoke consumption. Research in Australia The Australian government is currently conducting another study that may cast further light on the effects of potency variations. The study is designed to determine baseline THC, tar, and carbon monoxide levels from marijuana and marijuana-tobacco mixtures smoked through joints and waterpipes. The samples being tested come from police seizures in six different Australian states. Researchers say that they have observed "incredible" variations in tar and THC potency among different samples. Their report is expected shortly. THC Transfer Rate The MAPS-NORML study provides new information on the efficiency of different devices in delivering THC from marijuana to the user. Previous studies have shown that 60% - 80% of the THC burned in joints or waterpipes is lost in slipstream smoke, adhesion to the pipestem and bowl, pyrolysis, etc. [Mario Perez-Reyes, Marijuana Smoking: Factors that Influence the Bioavailability of Tetrahydrocannabinol, in C. Nora Chiang and Richard Hawks, ed., Research Findings on Smoking of Abused Substances, NIDA Research Monograph 99, 1990]. The percentage of total THC delivered to the user is called the THC transfer rate. The unfiltered joint scored surprisingly well in smoking efficiency, coming in second place with a transfer rate close to 20%. The portable waterpipe did slightly better, and the bong slightly worse. The other devices did notably worse. The vaporizers and electric waterpipe did especially poorly, with transfer rates less than one-third that of the top three devices. Thus, heavy smokers could literally be blowing most of their stash away with bad pipes. Report written by Dale Gieringer, Ph.D. California NORML 2215-R Market St. #278 San Francisco, CA 94114 CANORML@igc.apc.org
__________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ICMAG OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637 A Library of Links https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=97792 How to replicate cannabis plants: ...various successful "cloning"/"cloner" techniques described w/ original posts linked https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382 A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SCIENTIFIC STUDIES REFERENCE GUIDE~2012~ https://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf Sharing Is Caring. IMB
Last edited by I.M. Boggled; 08-23-2004 at 05:04 AM.. |
|
|
|
|
|
#3 |
|
Bakin in da Sun
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Planet Zeldar
Posts: 2,949
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Nice read Boggled as always. You really are a human encyclopedia.
One Q, I was always have been led to believe that THC is lipid (fat/butter/oil) soluoble? bartender187 |
|
|
|
|
|
#4 |
|
Certified Bloomin' Idiot
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,741
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
MAPS and California NORML have completed a first, preliminary round of experiments demonstrating the feasibility of testing the Volcano vaporizer (www.vapormed.de). Conducted by Chemic Labs, this $30,000 feasibility study indicated that the Volcano does produce remarkably clean vapor containing THC and other cannabinoids.
We have raised an additional $25,000 from a grant from the Marijuana Policy Project (first grant proposal rejected, second approved) and have just completed a follow-up "protocol" study conducted according to FDA standards. This is the first vaporizer study designed to detect a broad spectrum of toxins in the gas phase of cannabis smoke or vapor, and will provide the necessary quantitative data to apply for FDA approval of human trials using the vaporizer. The results show that the vapor contains no detectable levels of a wide range of toxins present in marijuana smoke, but does contain substantial amounts of cannabinoids. This study was urgently needed to keep smoked and/or vaporized natural cannabis on track for FDA approval in the face of competition from other, non-smoked delivery systems, notably GW Pharmaceuticals' oral spray. A human vaporizer study would likely be of interest to the California Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research (CMCR), of whose scientific advisory board I am a member. Dr. Donald Abrams, UC San Francisco, has worked closely with us to develop a research protocol which would for the first time demonstrate how effectively vaporizers deliver cannabinoids into the human bloodstream. This study, for which Dr. Abrams submitted a grant proposal to the CMCR on April 1, 2003, could in turn pave the way for further medical studies using the vaporizer. Dr. Abrams will submit the protocol to the FDA in early April. In the meantime, however, the DEA is pushing to discourage CMCR from further research with the cannabis plant, on the grounds that smoking is an unsatisfactory method of drug delivery. Furthermore, GW Pharmaceuticals has shown interest in approaching the CMCR about conducting research with its cannabinoid extracts, as a substitute for the cannabis plant. If vaporization research does not proceed, there is a good chance that the DEA or NIDA will succeed in blocking additional Phase II and eventual Phase III efficacy studies using the cannabis plant, studies which are needed to obtain FDA approval for rescheduling cannabis for medical use. Obtaining FDA permission to use a vaporizer in human clinical trials is the first of two critical milestones to be achieved prior to embarking in earnest on a medical cannabis drug development program. The second milestone is obtaining an independent, non-governmental source of high-potency cannabis for FDA- approved research. MAPS is developing a project of this kind in association with Prof. Lyle Craker, Director of the Medicinal Plant Program, Department of Plant and Soil Sciences, UMass Amherst
__________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ICMAG OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637 A Library of Links https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=97792 How to replicate cannabis plants: ...various successful "cloning"/"cloner" techniques described w/ original posts linked https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382 A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SCIENTIFIC STUDIES REFERENCE GUIDE~2012~ https://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf Sharing Is Caring. IMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5 |
|
Certified Bloomin' Idiot
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,741
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
- The use of pure cannabis strains with high THC content... Sometimes cannabis is smoked together with tobacco or other dried herbs. This procedure should be avoided to minimize the inhalation of smoke from burnt plant material.
- The use of pipes. Pipes are superior to cigarettes in some situations in that they easily allow the patient to smoke small amounts of pure high-grade cannabis. The percentage of tars in the smoke is reduced by condensation on the pipe walls. Pipes should be cleaned frequently. Water pipes are inferior to cigarettes and should be avoided. - The use of cannabis that is free of natural contaminants and adulterants. Only disease-free cannabis should be harvested and air-dried. - The use of inhalation devices that reduce output of tars.... Gieringer tested vaporizers that heat marijuana to 180-190°C vaporizing THC below the burning point of cellulose and other plant material. The production of polycyclic hydrocarbons was reduced. The best vaporizer delivered 10 parts of tar to one part of cannabinoids, cannabis cigarettes yielded a ratio of 13:1 (average), and water pipes an average of 27:1... Thus, the best vaporizers achieved a performance ratio about 25% higher than the unfiltered cannabis cigarette, while water pipes were less favorable than cigarettes. The use of a filter in a cannabis cigarette was not advantageous since it not only filtered the tars, but also the cannabinoids. Indeed, the performance ratio was decreased by about 30% compared to the unfiltered cigarette. In the study Gieringer was able to demonstrate that combustion products were substantially reduced by using another vaporizer. The used device produced THC at a temperature of 185°C while completely eliminating benzene, toluene and naphthalene. Significant amounts of benzene began to appear at temperatures of 200°C, while combustion occurred around 230°C or above. Traces of THC were in evidence as low as 140°C. Carbon monoxide and tars were both qualitatively reduced by the vaporizer, but were not quantificated in this study. However, a significant reduction of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons was assumed since vaporized cannabis emitted a thin gray vapor and the plant material was left with a green to greenish-brown "toasted" appearance, whereas the combusted sample produced thick smoke and turned to ash. - Combination of oral use and inhalation. In several indications, a combined regime of a basic oral medication with cannabis or THC and a demand inhaled medication may be useful to reduce risks from smoking and from possible overdosage with oral administration. [Harm reduction associated with inhalation and oral administration of cannabis and THC. Journal of Cannabis Therapeutics 2001,by Franjo Grotenhermen]
__________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ICMAG OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637 A Library of Links https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=97792 How to replicate cannabis plants: ...various successful "cloning"/"cloner" techniques described w/ original posts linked https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382 A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SCIENTIFIC STUDIES REFERENCE GUIDE~2012~ https://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf Sharing Is Caring. IMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
#6 | |
|
Certified Bloomin' Idiot
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,741
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Quote:
Peak blood levels of THC are reached very rapidly, usually within 10 minutes of smoking and before a joint is fully smoked, and decline rapidly to about 5-10 per cent of their initial level within the first hour. This initial rapid decline reflects the rapid conversion of THC to its metabolites, as well as the distribution of THC to lipid-rich tissues, including the brain. THC and its metabolites are highly fat soluble and may remain for long periods of time in the fatty tissues of the body, from which they are slowly released back into the bloodstream. This phenomenon slows the elimination of cannabinoids from the body.
__________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ICMAG OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637 A Library of Links https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=97792 How to replicate cannabis plants: ...various successful "cloning"/"cloner" techniques described w/ original posts linked https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382 A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SCIENTIFIC STUDIES REFERENCE GUIDE~2012~ https://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf Sharing Is Caring. IMB
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#7 | |
|
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Re: Marijuana Water Pipe and Vaporizer Study
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
#8 |
|
Dirty hippy Bastard
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Outside BodyShop, with a Tin Whistle and a dog on a piece of string
Posts: 8,157
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
very good read, unfortun8ly, i never found an ordinary(non-water) pipe, thatr doesnt make me cough my guts out. saving for a volcano at the moment.
__________________
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and none of these people are very funny. |
|
|
|
|
|
#9 | |
|
Plant Manager
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 2,645
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Vaporizer Research: An Update
Quote:
__________________
Sunnyside=Kokua |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#10 |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Mars
Posts: 263
![]() |
considering that study was done in 96
Shouldnt the results be back for that Australia testing they were doing?
Be interesting to see the results. Thanks for sharing your article findings IM Leeroy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|