[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by afropips

Hiya Gypsy,
I see it more like:-
If you & your Mongolian brothers take the time , risk & effort
to preserve the Mongolian Landraces & some Westerner buys some seeds then makes profits from those seeds , some profits should than be returned IMO.

Cool Runnings..........

........when you buy some seeds from someone.....its up to you whether you want to breed from them and make more seeds.......it's always good to make clear the correct heritage/lineage when describing what you have created and how you have done it so that the grower that buys and grows them from you is aware of where they might have come from.......but 'returning profits' to the country the worked seedline originated from for most is just not practicle.......if the seeds were bought in the first place then profit has already been made by the original grower.......Sam Skunkman does not receive 'royalties' from every Skunk variety grown.......nor does D.J.Short from every Blueberry variety/hybrid/cross that comes to us either......

[afropips]

Hiya,
I would not consider Sam's & DJ's Varieties Pure Landraces.

Cool Runnings........

[Babbabud]

now that looks a bit like trolling to me

[afropips]

Hiya BB,
What does "Trolling" mean?

Cool Runnings........

[Babbabud]

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Afro-- you're missing Gypsy's point! He is giving you examples of breeders who create something and later on don't get anything back for their efforts from other breeders. In a perfect world anyone who develops/ creates something gets all the spoils-- this is not reality! I know Malawi is a poor country so why don't you do the right thing and give back all your profits to Malawi in your perfect world.

Mosca Negra

P.S. What's with the pic of the 3 Mexicans?

[afropips]

Hi MN,
I have no problem with Gypsy's point or Doing the right thing!
I would have to dissagree with you BB
but if you wish me to be silent I will go back to my location
as I have said my piece.

Thanks..........

PS: The £ Mexicans is just a bit of toungue in cheek!

Originally Posted by dubi

We also would like to start to share some of our pure lines in limited preservationist editions, so other growers and breeders can preserve them and use them for their own breeding projects.

The landrace seeds will be regular and produced by open pollination to guarantee genetic diversity to other growers/breeders.

this is awsome, thanks ACE (and everyone else who are making their landrace stock available)

[dubi]

Good day to all!

Nomadic and SatGhost, our idea is to distribute some of the landraces we have been working on lately. The first ones would probably be the chinese Yunnan indica and the guatemala sativa.

Landrace strains are the base of our work and they can also be used for other breeding and preservation projects. But if a grower wants to get the best potential from our genetics, i'd recommend him/her to use our hybrid commercial varieties. We have been experimenting with our landraces for years to learn the dominant/recessive traits of each variety and to get the best complementary combinations between them.

Originally Posted by dubi

We also would like to start to share some of our pure lines in limited preservationist editions, so other growers and breeders can preserve them and use them for their own breeding projects.

The landrace seeds will be regular and produced by open pollination to guarantee genetic diversity to other growers/breeders.

We are also working to add purple pakistan, red panama, malawi, angolese and haze genetics from the 70s to our future catalogues.

Excellent news !!!

I'm allways happy to see new ACE's projects . I have currently some Panama red 1974 in the garden and they are absolutely wonderful to study.

It is very generous to allow people to work as amateur with some of your pure lines, indeed it is very positive as only the best breeders can afford this imho.

Speaking about amateur's breeding, I'm still planning to backcross the Canela both with Jamaican BM and with a Manali strain. Next step will be in early 2007 when I'll grow a strain collected by Mriko in Malana valley. I'll cross it with a Canela F1 if the Destiny allows it. Small numbers obviously but still should be interesting I think.

Good vibes and long life to ACE !

Rahan