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learnin2grow · 10-16-2006, 06:25 PM

Wasn't sure where to post this question, but this seemed like the best spot for it. So I'm starting my first indoor grow, and I've got a pretty good idea about most aspects of my grow; but I'm still not sure about nutrients.

I have seven chickens who keep me well fed on my weekends at breakfast time. These little guys also poop a lot. So this got me thinking, maybe I could save some money on nutrients and grow organically, why not? Problem is I don't know anything about preparing the poop to deliver it to my plants. Also don't know if this is a bad idea, I mean, could the poop be too nitrogen rich... So I was just wondering if any of you guys have ever used chicken litter to grow with, or if anyone knew of a way to prepare the poop to administer it to the plants, or if it's a bad idea to use chicken litter all together. Thanks in advance for any help.

ethereal · 10-16-2006, 07:36 PM

IMO, yes, it's a bad idea. it's decent if used outdoor once composted,
but takin it indoor will attract bugs, and possibly burn your plants. even if composted.

chicken shit is TOO strong ("hot") to be used right away. it needs to be composted 1st.

good luck and look into more conventional soil ammendments if you dont want to compost it first.

take care

ethereal · 10-16-2006, 07:42 PM

rabbit poop, on the other hand, can be used right from the rodent's butt

but again, usin it indoors will attract insect pests to your grow. your call

IMVHO it's best to buy/use dry 'meals' and guanos instead of usin these stinky dungs for indoor work.

shake it ez

10-16-2006, 08:17 PM

if you compost it it makes wonderful fertilizer for your soil. hot composting will kill any bugs you might bring in. or alternitivly you can use it in a tea. theres lots of stuff about composting at journeytoforever.org

learnin2grow · 10-16-2006, 09:41 PM

Thanks a lot guys!!! The floor of the chicken coop is kinda like a compost pile... they actually turn the soil over a lot more often than you would in a compost pile, but the dirt is full of shit; yet it doesn't really stink. I may subject one plant to some tests with some of the loose topsoil/manure from the floor of the chicken coop.

Maybe I'll start a big compost pile, me and the wife grow a decent size garden in the spring anyways...

As far as trying teas... I don't really know anything about doing teas though, links?

Papa Legba · 10-16-2006, 09:58 PM

Chicken poo with bedding should be composted for a year. Its super strong and will burn the plants when its fresh. I have used store bought chicken poo and used it as tea on my indoor soil grows and it works really well, but its kind of stinky and messy. It has nitrogen and phosphorus in fairly high amounts for organics so you will see explosive growth in veg and flowering. I like to back it off at the end of flowering so I'm not feeding so much nitrogen Just remember it is strong and too much can burn them.
Outdoors I would recommend dig a big hole or big container that drains, mix several shovels full composted chicken poo, with about half topsoil or leaf litter compost to half native soil or peat soil mixture, (A little gravel or perilte wouldn't hurt). Then water only with poo tea until the end. World class results.

ethereal · 10-16-2006, 10:39 PM

you forgot lime.

minds_I · 10-16-2006, 10:55 PM

Hello all,

I have to say that I have used a store bought organic mix (Kellogg's PP) comprised of chicken shit. It was way hot.

Raw CS needs to be composted a long while prior to using it.

minds_I

10-17-2006, 08:01 AM

I used chicken manure ONCE. I burned the hell out of my plants. not just a little but completely. You need to be real careful with that. They have a soil regenerator called Pre-Mix and it has chicken manure in it and they say to use only 1 cup per x anount of soil, very little in ratio to amount of soil. But if you have the time and space compost the stuff. You can broadcast it on your garden before winter and it will be ready in the spring. Tomatos do very well with chicken manure.

minds_I · 10-17-2006, 08:51 AM

Hello all,

I tell, I kept burn the shit out my plants with it. Even with 40/30/30 of kellogg/ewc/perlite fried tehm everytime.

I was thining on mixing what I have left with the FFOF at something like 70/30 ff/kellogg and then add 20%eewc and 30% castings.

Also, it may work well for making teas with.

minds_I

10-16-2006, 06:25 PM	#1
learnin2grow Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 45	chicken shit? Wasn't sure where to post this question, but this seemed like the best spot for it. So I'm starting my first indoor grow, and I've got a pretty good idea about most aspects of my grow; but I'm still not sure about nutrients. I have seven chickens who keep me well fed on my weekends at breakfast time. These little guys also poop a lot. So this got me thinking, maybe I could save some money on nutrients and grow organically, why not? Problem is I don't know anything about preparing the poop to deliver it to my plants. Also don't know if this is a bad idea, I mean, could the poop be too nitrogen rich... So I was just wondering if any of you guys have ever used chicken litter to grow with, or if anyone knew of a way to prepare the poop to administer it to the plants, or if it's a bad idea to use chicken litter all together. Thanks in advance for any help.
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10-16-2006, 07:36 PM	#2
ethereal Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Home Posts: 1,805	IMO, yes, it's a bad idea. it's decent if used outdoor once composted, but takin it indoor will attract bugs, and possibly burn your plants. even if composted. chicken shit is TOO strong ("hot") to be used right away. it needs to be composted 1st. good luck and look into more conventional soil ammendments if you dont want to compost it first. take care __________________ RIP Hillie
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10-16-2006, 07:42 PM	#3
ethereal Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Home Posts: 1,805	rabbit poop, on the other hand, can be used right from the rodent's butt but again, usin it indoors will attract insect pests to your grow. your call IMVHO it's best to buy/use dry 'meals' and guanos instead of usin these stinky dungs for indoor work. shake it ez __________________ RIP Hillie
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10-16-2006, 08:17 PM	#4
irie-i Guest Posts: n/a	if you compost it it makes wonderful fertilizer for your soil. hot composting will kill any bugs you might bring in. or alternitivly you can use it in a tea. theres lots of stuff about composting at journeytoforever.org
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10-16-2006, 09:41 PM	#5
learnin2grow Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 45	Thanks a lot guys!!! The floor of the chicken coop is kinda like a compost pile... they actually turn the soil over a lot more often than you would in a compost pile, but the dirt is full of shit; yet it doesn't really stink. I may subject one plant to some tests with some of the loose topsoil/manure from the floor of the chicken coop. Maybe I'll start a big compost pile, me and the wife grow a decent size garden in the spring anyways... As far as trying teas... I don't really know anything about doing teas though, links?
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10-16-2006, 09:58 PM	#6
Papa Legba Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 56	Chicken poo with bedding should be composted for a year. Its super strong and will burn the plants when its fresh. I have used store bought chicken poo and used it as tea on my indoor soil grows and it works really well, but its kind of stinky and messy. It has nitrogen and phosphorus in fairly high amounts for organics so you will see explosive growth in veg and flowering. I like to back it off at the end of flowering so I'm not feeding so much nitrogen Just remember it is strong and too much can burn them. Outdoors I would recommend dig a big hole or big container that drains, mix several shovels full composted chicken poo, with about half topsoil or leaf litter compost to half native soil or peat soil mixture, (A little gravel or perilte wouldn't hurt). Then water only with poo tea until the end. World class results.
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10-16-2006, 10:39 PM	#7
ethereal Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Home Posts: 1,805	you forgot lime.
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10-16-2006, 10:55 PM	#8
minds_I The Emperor is not only naked but batshit crazy. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norcal USA Posts: 5,269	Hello all, I have to say that I have used a store bought organic mix (Kellogg's PP) comprised of chicken shit. It was way hot. Raw CS needs to be composted a long while prior to using it. minds_I __________________ His contempt for objective truth is the rejection of democratic accountability, an implicit demand that his supporters place undying faith in him. Because the only measure of truth he accepts is what he claims at any given moment, the power his supporters vest in him is unlimited. Sound familiar? If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures. In the United States, under our Constitution, a free press is a check on politicians of all parties. If we are to demand that other countries respect the tradition of a free press we must also practice that here at home. Let the people know the facts, and the country will be safe.
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10-17-2006, 08:01 AM	#9
vonforne Guest Posts: n/a	I used chicken manure ONCE. I burned the hell out of my plants. not just a little but completely. You need to be real careful with that. They have a soil regenerator called Pre-Mix and it has chicken manure in it and they say to use only 1 cup per x anount of soil, very little in ratio to amount of soil. But if you have the time and space compost the stuff. You can broadcast it on your garden before winter and it will be ready in the spring. Tomatos do very well with chicken manure.
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10-17-2006, 08:51 AM	#10
minds_I The Emperor is not only naked but batshit crazy. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norcal USA Posts: 5,269	Hello all, I tell, I kept burn the shit out my plants with it. Even with 40/30/30 of kellogg/ewc/perlite fried tehm everytime. I was thining on mixing what I have left with the FFOF at something like 70/30 ff/kellogg and then add 20%eewc and 30% castings. Also, it may work well for making teas with. minds_I __________________ His contempt for objective truth is the rejection of democratic accountability, an implicit demand that his supporters place undying faith in him. Because the only measure of truth he accepts is what he claims at any given moment, the power his supporters vest in him is unlimited. Sound familiar? If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures. In the United States, under our Constitution, a free press is a check on politicians of all parties. If we are to demand that other countries respect the tradition of a free press we must also practice that here at home. Let the people know the facts, and the country will be safe.
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