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Old 10-12-2006, 05:39 AM #1
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Soil Mix - needs help

Hey folks, I live in Brazil and i am quite a new grower, trying to do all organic. Iīve been reading lotīs of posts here, thanks a lot everyone....
As here is difficult to find the products, I am thinking in grow like this:

Soil mix

40% organic compost
20% vermiculite
20% worms casting
20% fiber of coconut (do you know what I mean here?)
3 tea spoon of dolimite lime

this soil is all organic and quite rich in nutrients, actually now I am only feeding after 30 days........... than basically I use urea and bone meal now...


And I am thinking in buy a organic nute line, and I need help here:

Vegetative
Biobizz Alg - A - Mix
Fish emulsion Biobizz 1000 ml

Flower
Bio Bizz Bloom 1 liter

Please, give me some advices, some suggests, but needs to be simple, very simple, as I donīt find this products here and buying in euros is fucking expencive.........

Some Brazilian pics for you......






say Hi to my turtle


hahaha Thanks a lot

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Old 10-12-2006, 07:41 AM #2
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Welcome to the Organic Soil family Gorda!

Are the pictured plants grown in the mix you listed? Those plants look great, if those are yours dont change a thing. Finding something that works for you is more important than using any specific product. That being said, here are a few suggestions. In the soil, try adding perlite. This may help to improve aeration and water retention simultaneously. If this isnt available try pumice stone as a substitute, this can be found at aquarium stores sometimes (I notice you have a fish tank). If neither of these can be obtained, no worries your coco fiber does a fine job of keeping the mix airy. If compaction becomes a problem add more coco, you might also add a grit particle size: ground granite, oyster shell, rock phosphate, kelp meal etc. These products can sometimes be found a garden retails spots or at a nursery. Feed stores sell ground granite and shell as feed additive for chickens. If you use oyster shell it will contribute Ca and pH buffering as well. I firmly believe that most additives are easily located locally, just look around and use some creativity (call local nurseries to see what they use for propagation and where they obtain supplies). Make lots of phone calls and see who has what. I like adding Alfalfa meal for N (also try blood meal or Mexican guano), Bone Meal for P (also try Indonesian guano or rock phosphate), and Kelp meal for K (also try Greensand, Maerl, or Shrimp meal). However, compost will contain each of these elements. Depending on the concentration of your compost (anywhere from .5-.5-.5 to 5-5-5), you may not need any further additives. Banana peals and potato skins are great sources of compostable potassium. Use grass cuttings or weeds for N, and bone meal for P. Making your own compost will provide a ready supply of balanced nutrition at very little cost.

So far you say you have EW cast, bone meal, and compost. Making a tea with any of these ingredients will make them into a nice soluble formula. EW cast is a good source of N and beneficial bacteria for Veg or Bloom. Bone meal is P and Ca for bloom or early veg. Compost tea is a rich and balanced source of N-P-K as well as trace minerals and beneficial organisms. I use compost tea almost exclusively these days, but it all depends on what goes into the compost. Urea is a great source of N-P-K, mostly N. I have seen it used to great effect on plants in all stages of growth, and have personally relied on it as a ready N source outdoors. Making teas is as simple as putting the tea ingredients into a nylon stocking and hanging it in a 5 gal bucket of water for a few days. Be sure to stir or otherwise aerate the bucket regularly. Read around for more on making teas.

Finally, try using "blackstrap" molasses as a soluble form of K, Fe, Mg, and as carb food for microorganisms. Bone meal and molasses makes a great bloom tea. Molasses can be found at feed stores, health food stores, or just a local market. "Sugar beat" molasses will also work, but avoid anything labeled "unsulphured". Molasses is less then 3$ US for a pint, and a little goes a long way. Use sparingly at about 1tsp/gal. Another nice form of soluble K is liquid kelp, like Maxicrop or Alg-a-mix. Ordering these may be difficult, but getting a gallon can last an entire season.

I hope that helps. Compost is readily available anywhere, highly cost effective, and not a compromise in any respect. Focusing on creating quality homemade compost could free you from buying expensive fertilizers.

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Old 10-12-2006, 04:22 PM #3
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Hi 3BM, thanks for posting here, I really appreciate...

So, yes, these are my babies, i am doing with that mix soil, but than I am adding some normal ferts, that arenīt organic, and I donīt want that.......... I want very simple and organic........

You gave me some very good Ideas here, I am searching lotīs, than I will buy some organic ferts online, from netherlands, as Alg-a-mix, and some more, I just want to see exactly what I need............... I will also order some Molasses..........

Like, my city has so many oyster, that I will add some.....

Yes, I will do some teas with EW cast, bone meal and the compost.....

Also the organic urea I found is great, Iīve been using, and is very good.....


And definitely I must do my homemade compost, I have space here, I only need to Do It..... hehe

3BM thanks again, I will buy from this store https://www.growshopalien.com/onlineshop/

So, if you can give me your last advice, from what to order, some 4 products, what would you suggest??? This Alg-a-mix for sure, Do I need the Biobloom?? I donīt think so, as I have high quality N and P source here, what I really need is K, Fe, Mg....
My soil mix is really good and works.......
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Old 10-13-2006, 04:49 AM #4
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Hey Gorda:

Molasses is what you need my man. Blackstrap molasses can be purchased from feed stores, grocery stores, and health food stores. It is a great source of K, Mg, and Fe (not to mention Ca). If you can get bone meal easily and have a good method for making teas stick with that. Your plants look well cared for, make small changes to your mix and keep doing what you do. Once again, nice work man.

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