[all messed up]

Seriously disturbing stuff... Please read this.

https://secure2.convio.net/dow/site/...9votiu1.app25a

[pipeline]

What the fuck is wrong with this administration? Are they trying to run this planet and our people into the ground or what?

[SalParadise]

...that is utterly disgusting. Those bastards and their children should be ashamed of themselves...

dont worry, GOD will send them to hell

[all messed up]

I can't understand why they kill them. It's fucking stupid. Elk and deer will get more and worse diseases if they aren't them to keep on them.

[JJScorpio]

I have always had a fondness in my heart for wolves. There must be huge taxpaying farms in the area that feel wolves are killing their cattle. They could come up with some type of consevation method if there is an overabundance of them. If truth be known, there probably arent and these people will not be happy until they are all gone......

I'm not opposed to trapping and hunting as a livelihood. My family eats wild game meat all year, every year. I have friends who are established and well-known trappers, some of them living in the bush year round, in remote sites.

Killing isn't a sport in my opinion. If folks get off on killing, they can always get in good physical shape, and join any number of military or mercenary outfits, resulting in lots of 'sport.'

That said, wolf control in the wilds, by taking them out through bounties, aerial shooting, etc., was studied in the Kenai Moose Refuge in the early 70s.

It's a well-known fact to anyone who has reviewed that research (I studied it 25 years ago, myself) that due to the manner in which wolves splinter into packs, and react to open territory in their hunting, that once such a program is started, it has to be continuous, or, if ended, it will result in more wolves than it started with, and thus a greater predator problem, for those who look at it from that perspective.

Alaska has twice (or more?) rejected aerial hunting of wolves as a method predator control at the ballot box. But the Murkowski Administration, aside from screwing with the constitutional protections for cannabis here, has also seen fit to aggressively re-establish predator control programs for wolves and bear.... Allegedly the intent is to help the moose populations, and ultimately the moose hunters.... in a state where subsistence is constitutionally recognized as a legal priority..

So the goofy bastards have now, for three years running, sponsored cow moose hunts in the heart of what was some of -the- best moose hunting in the entire Interior of this State.... anhilating the moose populations in that area in the process... not that their (politically-influenced) biologists will admit it. But those of us who go there know.

It's politics; even game management is now apparently looked at by corporatists as a cash resource, with little concern for those who actually live on these resources.

moose eater

[all messed up]

Thanks! It's nice to see hunters have a sane voice too. I remember when New Yorkers would come to New Hampshire, shoot deer, chainsaw off the head and leave the carcass in the woods to rot while the head was hung in some manhatten office. Locals used to throw rocks through car windsheilds from New York during deer season after a woman was shot hanging laundry on her line. People shouldn't fuck with wildlife if they don't understand the situation. Nothing against New Yorkers by the way.

You're welcome, Scrappy.

I guess that what I meant to say more clearly, (and should've), is that this form of predator control denies two things;

that the wolves worked in balance with the game populations for thousands of years, and that it is human beings who tilted that scale in very threatening ways.

Secondly, that this form of 'predator control' is a failure, due to it permanently requiring that the 'managers' be locked into an aggressive methodology if they don't wish to see their problem grow greater than it was to begin with.

In that regard, there can be no 'final success.' Not incredibly unlike the drug war, when you compare the two...

Alaska has a number of military posts/bases. The single folks who live in barracks and can eat at the mess hall have three meals a day prepared for them, and even have someone else to wash their dishes. They're not in dire need of wild meat. Others have access to the PX, where they can buy everything from beer to braunschwagger at a reduced rate. Yet they typically have, by law, the same rights of access to our game populations as I do. As do the wealthy and semi-wealthy trophy hunters who come up and pay guides thousands of dollars in order to procure a nice rack to hang on the den or office wall.

And the wolf and bear get blamed for the inadequate numbers of moose, etc., in the end.

Lack of introspection is a pervasive human trait for some folks.

moose eater

[all messed up]

Right on. Trophy hunters suck. If you kill it, you better eat it. Apex predators control hundreds of grazing animals.