America has a unique and diverse marijuana gene pool. While technically we have no native genes we have been the dominant market for marijuana in the western hemisphere for half a century. Plants from every corner of the globe have been brought to the US for top dollar to feed our cravings for the herb, and some of their offspring have found permanent residence here. Much like the American citizen the American Sativa does not have one look or origin, but is a melting pot of all of the immigrants who have found way to our shores.
By far the most common sativas brought here were the Mexicans and Colombians we began smoking, followed by the Asian grasses brought back with soldiers from war. Despite being the center of the "War On Drugs" the US and Canada has been the fore runner in marijuana culture. Even the coffee shops and seed vendors in Amsterdam owe many of the building blocks of the dutch strains to hybrid seeds shipped in from America.
Regardless of origin of species American growers have played an integral part in marijuana breeding, home growing, and our current marijuana culture. Our quest to take exotic foreign drug cultivars, and hybridize them into strains that could grow in our own climate produced some of the finest cannabis ever seen and changed the way people viewed pot growing forever. When the major foreign smuggling routes were ended by politicians American growers stepped up to the plate and began producing the majority of our smoke right here in America. By the 90's America itself was the top producer of the weed we smoke and the average quality is higher than what was ever previously thought possible. Skilled growers continue to progress every year. It is not uncommon for plants in California to yield over ten pounds per plant and of a quality that costs five grand per pound at resale. Thirty years ago a ten pound pot plant worth fifty thousand dollars would have been a Cheech & Chong joke just like the van made out of grass.
Not only have we won a successful guerilla war against the "War On Drugs", we also took a tremendous chunk of money away from violent drug traffickers and kept millions of dollars in the domestic economy. The most important thing in deciding that victory was spreading the idea that you as an individual were able to grow your own strains of grass customized to your own personal expectations. And that you could grow it cheaply, privately, and without any need to rely on outside suppliers.
Unfortunately American marijuana growing is also what caused the extinction of many sativa strains. Pure sativas can only be grown in a fraction of the US. The deep south, the gulf coast into Florida and Georgia, and out west Texas and on up into California were the only areas where sativa could mature and ripen properly. In the late 70s indica seed stock started being grown in California and a few other states. As people started getting seeds out of their bags with the infusion of indica genetics it allowed almost every state in the entire country to be able to grow marijuana. During the 1980s indica exploded onto the market as entire regions of the country such as Appalachia opened up to growing on a commerial level. The result was many of the pure sativa seed stock lines were hybridized for shorter flowering periods, and often times the pure stock was lost during this era. .
MAJOR US GROW REGIONS AND FLAVORS
CALIFORNIA is first up there on the list. One of the oldest growing regions and still producing the largest portion of the nations marijuana harvest, especially north California. The Emerald Triangle as it is known consists of three counties and the areas in between them where many growers settled became legendary for it's high quality pot. The "hill people" are much less hippy and a lot more country than you might think in this era. When the logging business fell out there it left many blue collar men unemployed and they decided to take up the local and lucrative tradition of pot growing. Due to the perfect weather for growing, and the local law turning a blind eye to something residents had always been doing, the area flourished before the days of helicopter patrols. Strains they favor have been many Thais and south east Asians that soldiers brought back after the war. The Mexicans and genes from south of the border play a crucial role in many of the famous Cali grass strains. But due to the amount of growers in the region and how we like to network there were strains from anywhere and everywhere available in the area. It was "the" place to be during the early growing days and plants from every corner of the earth showed up here.
Today the Emerald Triangle is constantly assaulted by aerial observation and narcs. The area is secluded with many rolling hills, but the days of acres of Humboldt sensimilla are gone. Today small farmers in small towns where everyone knows everybody makes up the community. When all the folks in all the small towns put in their share it keeps NorCal a large producer of the nations finest commercial weed. With the fertile soil and optimal conditions even guerilla grown plants can easily reach 6-12ft tall and yield 1/2 to 2lbs per plant. Mexican cartels operating state side have been known to hide thousands of plants this size among the rolling hills in national parks. The best tip for if your going to Cali in search of sativas is to go to a humid parts of California. The coast where fog settles in for instance insures there will be more people growing sativas than the drier regions further inland.
OLD SCHOOL CALI GRASS
After the "Summer of Love" and all the madness that happened in San Francisco as well as the entire country during the late 60s many people who had gone to Southern California looking for an alternative lifestyle were disgruntled with what they found, as well as with the recent events in the country. They became increasingly focused on self reliance, the back to nature environmentalist movement. Refugees of the hippy generation, and the returning war vets began to buy property in the rural counties in secluded northern California. These new residents were the basis and the genesis of the modern marijuana culture. During the 70s seedless of "sensimilla" buds grown in California became famous for their quality smoke throughout the entire country. For the first time "homegrown" wasn't a term of derision, but a statement of quality. Sensimillia as well as hybrid marijuana became famous in the region and popularized through new magazines like High Times.
Hill folk rarely keep names and its a shame because there are god only knows how many incredible strains nobody has a specific name for that still exist among old timers in the area. Typically about 75% sativa hybrids they vary a ton due to the amount of genetic diversity in the region. Yumboldt, Big Sur Holy, Garlic Bud, Killin Garberville, Mendocino Madness, of course Haze, and endless other strains were created in the area.
THE MODERN CALIFORNIA SCENE
A huge relief for medical patients, as well as the average smoker. With the advent of prop 215 and the giant number of new growers operating under semi legality the Cali scene is rapidly changing in both perception and reality from the hippies and loggers in the hills to the dispensaries. With the view of dispensaries very much in the public eye, even having several reality TV shows, the perception of what Cali grass is has begun to rapidly change. The scene in California is almost unimaginable to long time growers from the area. Constantly changing and confusing laws concerning county regulations, zoning, taxes, and federal or local oversight make it hard to understand, or explain, and are open to constant change at a moments notice leading to arrests, business closures, animals shot, etc. Despite this confusion, or perhaps because of it, a tremendous amount of growers, brokers, dispensaries, seed vendors, and even dealers who offer home delivery and sell weed out of the trunk.of their cars dwell in a quasi legal local system based around medical marijuana. While it is true that medical marijuana is available for sick patients, its also available for any resident willing to get an easily available doctors reccomendation for a myriad of minor ailments. A massive "Green Rush" developed under the widespread grey area and tolerance of marijuana growing. Due to this relative safety much marijuana grown under the guise of "medical" exemption gets sold out of state at vastly inflated prices. Throughout most of the country medical marijuana can be found fairly easily. Strains for export tend to be the common high yielding clones sold at dispensaries, but the sheer number of growers, and wide spread availability due to dispensaries makes California the current epicenter of pot culture, and the most diverse and important area for marijuana growing in the US.
Some typical Northern California import. These are examples of standard quality California outdoor bud that has been available in most major cities in the US since the early 90s. Currently they typically cost around $100 for 7 grams in most regions of the country. They are smuggled in the mail with vacuum sealed freezer bags, or smuggled in cars in oven bags.
No name purple sativa hyrbid
The classic Heavy Duty Fruity. Available since the 80s.
No name afghani type. Super common in the 90s.
snow cap crossed with trainwreck. A modern example of two very common local commercial varieties crossed together.
"Wholesale pot prices plummet". A thread about what his happening in California.
In the beginning of the home growing days of the late seventies and early eighties the South really stood out. Our heat, and long growing season allowed us to grow the native Colombian, and Mexican genes to harvest before frosts. Especially with the tropical photoperiod of southern Florida plants were producing excellent results and was where some of the first indicas grown in the US took place. Local strains such as Gainesville Green, Roadkill Skunk, and Kryptonite became legends. Good bud in Florida is sometimes still called "Crip" or "Krippie" after Kryptonite weed. However the days of Southern weed are gone. Draconian penalties, and an intolerant culture prevent much from being grown here, and the entire region has some of the worst weed and prices and the country. Most outdoor homegrown you come across is usually mexican brick grown in better circumstances. The exception is Florida's "Black Haze" aka "Piff" or "90 day haze". Cuban DTO's growing haze strains indoors and selling them along the Eastern Seaboard mainly.
HAWAIIAN PAKALOLO PREFACE (special thanks to member "oldhaole")
Hawaiian weed's fame extends to the early days of homegrown. In the late 70's when decent commercial grade Colombian would go for $500 a lb, the top Hawaiian bags would go for more than $2,000 dollars a lb. The 20 degrees north lat islands tropical photoperiod and diverse gene pool produced what was indisputably the finest kind bud of the era. It was primarily south east Asian varieties acclimated to the region,along with bagseed from imported Mexican and Colombian and many of the first hashplants as well. Although the amount of Hawaiian pot was never much in the figure of the amount smoked in the US, it was easily the most sought after and the highest quality.
HAWAIIAN POT SCENE: THEN AND NOW
In the early days weed was plentiful and cheap because there were enough growers and few enough police. The Hawiian soil varies from island to island, due primarly to age and rainfall. The older wetter islands all have high soil PH. The short Winter photoperiod makes it impossible to give plants any real amount of veg time so they flower almost immediately in and yield a really sad average of between 5-30 grams per plant for one of the three seasons. Spring season plants yield more and get to 5 ft, but the buds do not get tight. Total change between longest and shortest day is 2 hrs 25 min. With the slow change of season the long season crop has plenty of time to mature. You could plant as many plants as you wanted. And before the helicopter patrols you could plant giant growing long flowering sativas that would yield well. During that time there was less security in place and no customs for a trip from Hawaii. So smugglers looking for the top grade available often chose the islands.
Each island has microclimates and each has its own little flavor and specialty buds. Some famous strains of the day were Elephant ear, Kona Gold, Buddha stick, Mango, Goldenvoice, Strawberry Guava and many others were plentiful and easily available.
The scene today is changed quite a bit. There are 4 or 5 helicopter patrols a year who make no real arrests but spend all day ruining personal growers illegal stashes. Now with the passing of MMJ, and the BI making posession the lowest legal priority, its not very hard to grow commercial plots of herb in Hawaii, and its mostly personal growers who let off the excess harvests to the island market. Since 9/11 export has become harder. So Hawaii stays in a perpetual state of being in a case of "who you know" more than probably anywhere else because there is constantly a harvest going on, you just need to find it. Since local grown outdoor bud is unreliable with a long dry period over summer, dealers started importing weed. Surprisingly today about half of weed in Hawaii is imported Beaster and even Cali schwag.
There is plenty of local grown bud but since the helicopter harassment the growers have adapted by growing smaller more spread out patches. Also growers on the BI are allowed 21 plants grown on private property due to a county law. Growers on other islands make touch and go plots that produce varying grades of weed and thus they rely on alot of mail out for the high end stuff. Best local high end very rarely makes it out of the growers circle of friends.
What people tell me about hawaii pakalolo prices is pretty much the same thing every time. Incredibly expensive for the tourists and often pretty much free for the locals. Polar extremes. Shitty beaster 1/8s for 40 bucks or more quality for about 60 and 1/8. 400 dollar ounces are not uncommon at all. On the other hand since prices are so high many people grow their own weed. So you may meet a grower with a deal. Like my friend told me when he moved to Hawaii. He was there 2 weeks flat ass broke living out a van and couldn't afford any bud. He was surfing and met some hippy who offered to sell him some. My friend said "thanks man but I gotta save up for rent, I can't afford weed right now." The hippy told him to follow him to the woods. They walked down a trail and he showed him a little patch of herb growing deep in some bushes. They then walked further down and the hippy had a bucket buried. When he opened it up there was a trash bag with about a half a lb of bush weed in it and he gave both of my friends two heaping handfuls each for $10 and told him "Welcome to Hawaii."
As far as finding classic pakalolo nowadays its very rare but does still exist. However the chances of a tourist scoring original Hawaiian genetics from a street deal are very slim. Hawaii has 3 seasons per year, but breeders breed over short season and this means strains change fast. Also a strain will taste different grown 5 miles down the road, or on a different island due to different weather and soil conditions. When first brought to the island hardly any plants do very well. But they get used to it and start thriving and adapting. That is one thing I've spoken to several Hawaiian growers about and they all agree its very hard to keep a stone how you want it there. This can be corrected by keeping and adding to a large seed stash. The weed just keeps adapting to its own unique environment and the strains don't stay the same. So the bud you remembered 30 years ago might have a totally different effect today. However the flip side to this is good news. It means new Hawaiian strains are being created all the time as they adjust. However they are more and more often having indica genes in them from the same old sources. The new scene has an indica fetish in Hawaii and its not good for native outdoor bud. However the Medical aspect allows 7 plants, and since Sativas yield much more and tend to be more mold resistant than Indicas, Sativas are coming back. The best place to find old school genes is probably the hardest.
Once again its who you know. Hawaii has no cartel. Hundreds of growers, each trying to breed the perfect strain for the area they grow in. This tends to muddy strains fast.
MOLOKAI FROST is one of my most favorite strains off all much less from the islands. I smoked it all up before I got a picture, seems how thats how it goes with the best weed. Molokai frost is like a tropical bubblegum. it smells like some type of super tangy bubblegum that might be named "tropical treat" or something like that. THE softest smoking strain I've ever had and smokes and tastes amazing the day its off the plant. doesn't even really need a cure, its just that delicious. its a lazy sativa, but I love her. so happy.
pic courtesy of zion.
molokai frost by "iceman"
Finding weed in Hawaii
Vibe in Hawaii
America has always been a haven for breeders and growers despite the horrible laws. Far too many strains to name have been developed here but I'll list some of the most important and some of my favorites.
HAZE- the original ultimate sativa. pic courtesy of cedarberry
quotes from several growers about haze via pike
There will end up being countless haze pics in this thread so I'm not going to put one up.
"Purple haze was a strain from positronics .
Which is haze x purple#1 . Before that was no such thing as purple
haze . There was only haze from the haze brothers"
What a crock, Positronics did not even have any Haze until I gave it
to them after the mid 1980's. They crossed Haze with a local Pars
Purple outdoor variety that was weak shit pot that had a nice color.
FYI, Purple Haze was sold in the early 1970's by the Haze Brothers
in Santa Cruz, I should know I smoked it back then every day for
BTW, some of the Purple Haze needed cold to turn purple, others did
not need cold and were purple even if never cold. Purple Haze was
pure Original Haze, and the purple color was not dominate, so easy to
I also like the Silver Blue, and Lime Green Haze better then the
Purple Haze, because they were more up, clear, and energetic in the
high. But the Purple may have been the strongest Haze and got the top
prices. It also looked great.
Did eneyone ever hear the band the Original Haze? Jerry Miller from
the Moby Grape started the group in the 70's after smoking the
Original Haze in Santa Cruz. He loved the Haze and bought a lot!!!
The question is "i'm pretty sure the haze bros have kept a clone or
two or original haze"
First of all neither Haze Brother is still a grower, second they
never made clones or used clones when they were growers. But if you
are pretty sure then you must be right, even though you have never
met the Haze brothers or smoked any of "their" Original Haze, have you?
The haze bros. gave birth to the strain that is the real purple haze.
The columbian part of the haze was done by the haze bros. It is this
original columbian pheno that came to be known as the purple haze.
Their original haze was created by using several landraces: mexican,
thai, Indian and columbian. This line was never stabilized by them,
but passed on as seeds and eventually clones. wernard of positronics
fame had two or three of the original clones and made seeds with them
years ago. Among the clones he had, was the purple pheno or purple
haze. nevil and Shantitaba also both posess the original haze
line(haze bros) and are still working with them(although they only
sell hybrids). Purple haze is still out there, either in seeds or
clones. I know several people with seeds via the bros, but haven't
seen the purple clone in several years. But I'm sure there are many
others who hold their clone or seeds very close.
I think alot of the mixup on this strain and doubts have stemmed from
songs and for the fact that many people call any purple weed, purple
haze due to it's hype. Although, this makes it more difficult to
verify for some and a myth like G13, there is still a real purple
That being said, there are probably 5000 to 1 hybrids of the haze
around compared to the original. This is for many reasons. easy of
growth and finishing time being the most common. And this has not
really diluted the line, just made it much harder for the average
customer/grower to obtain, as many haven't preserved or sold their
original, never crossed lines.
I also have to say, I find an African haze very hard to believe. I
have grown pure sativas for close to thirty years, many being
African, columbian, and thai. I have never once found an african
sativa that even slightly resembled a pure haze. Don't get me wrong,
I'm not ragging on you or anything, as it's possible you may hold the
only african haze in your garden, and it's never seen
the light of day or by anyone else for that matter. Just my personal
experience. take care
I passed on the Purple Haze from Positronics, but Posi was the source
of my Haze pictured, Positronics "Original Haze". Their "Purple Haze"
was a hybrid i believe w/maybe purple#1?. You'll have to check with
Sam Skunkman as to what the other component in the Purple Haze was,
he was doing the breeding for them at the time. What folks really
want is the pure haze, but they just can't get that song out of their
it seems all of you are deeply moved by trying to prove some points
here. Maybe I can try and clarify somethings for you.
Nev and Sam worked on several things together at one stage in their
careers. This meant there was shared work in seed and clone form. The
Haze originals and the Skunk lines were two of these . The Haze bros
were their original source of Haze in seed form. However after people
begin working on seed from this point on only their particular
versions of what they gave names to were based on their particular
versions of that line.So of course differences will be manifest in
While Nev and I and Arjan joined forces Nev did his lines and I did
for the GHSco selling our versions originally under the GHSco name.
While Sam and Dave and others did their thing and in their versions
(selection). The Sensi seed was originally Nev who supplied Ben with
strains to sell in his shops. When Nev finished with Sensi like when
Nev and I finished with GHSco we took our versions of the cup winning
pedigrees away leaving only the strains that were owned jointly by
the seed companies in question. What happened to the Haze and
breeding programs at Sensi and GHSco neither Nev or I can be
responsible for. What is clear is now at Mr Nice Seedbank the
original versions of selected female and male plants that won all
those cups with our old seed companies got a home together. What Sam
and the others did with their versions I and Nev can also not be sure.
So if this helps clear up some of your myths I will be glad as I think
that the proof is in the pudding. Grow out the versions and see for
yourselves if you are still a skeptic...that is always my solution to
curb all the bullshit that is floating in hot air.
All the best Shantibaba
There was also lots of 'Hazes' or 'Haze herb' so everyone might be
right, as it was a generic termingology for being 'hazed' out,
applied to the best herb...imho.
From the 50s there was great Mex and Colombian imports into the US,
mostly small private importers i would assume. From the early 60s the
communes in Cali where trying to grow/acclimatise some of these
Haze was a generic name coined by them for these lines i think.
As the seeds for many of these early grows would have been bag seed
the name would have been chosen to fit, and what a perfect fit the
name 'Haze' is for the Best S.American Sativas..but no one knows the
varieties that went into any of these other lines. As prior to
landraces being collected in the 60/70's there was only really seed
from import, odd seeds here and there from mostly unknown strains.
Collections of specific cultivars collected at source started in the
60s, and KIA4S one of the very first and all time greatest
When the returnees from the early Nam excursions came home there was
also Thai experience available, this from the mid to late 50's! Many
of the Cali communes where growing and developing 'Haze' lines to
fuel the rapidly expanding market in Cali. Nam returnees are recorded
as saying they where 'Hazed' in the jungle in Thailand in the late
50s on great Thais. Special Ops returnees, in '56..
The biggest suppliers at the time in Cali where also becoming highly
organised and profficent growers to back up the imports and produce
insitu in Cali..but they where also seeking out and bringing back the
best herb from most corners of the great herb growing regions, South
America and Asia particulary. It must have been a incredibly connisuer
market in Cali at the time. So if the 'Origional Haze' was the best
of these, ever, it must have been just as incredible and legendry as
its described to be, i can believe it to be like a lick of Acid.
Only looks like a couple of these Haze lines have remained in pure
forms. Albeit many times inbred from the origionals. The 'Origional
Haze' marketed and developed by the Haze Bros was indeed the most
famous, maybe because of its BOEL connection, the most expensive ever
and last of the truly great 'Hazes', purely bred to feed that real
old school hippy market who had been brought up on the absolute
finest landrace Sativas from South America and Asia. So it must have
Thanks to the Haze bros and KIA4s, BOEL etc we have the great
legend of the 'Origional Haze', the one sold in Cali in the 70's
with the posters, tshirts, etc, and proberly the best herb grown
anywhere on earth at the time, but not the only Haze lines there
where. They started breeding their Haze in 69/70 i think.
KIA4S is 100% right as usual, the only 'Origional Haze' there is, is
from the lines of the 'Haze Bros' of Santa Cruz, and thanks to him,
the third Haze brother, its been shared with the world, the legendry
Origional Haze, possibly the best herb grown anywhere on earth, ever!
but not the only Haze.
Just my take on it..
LINKS TO HAZE INFO
The True Origins of Haze
The Best Haze?
APPLE is about as oldschool american as it comes. its supposedly been grown by American Indians outside of New York for 20 years and nobody remembers where it came from. This is one of my favorites, just hits me right. sweet green apples and flowers smell. pleasant up stone that won't take you too far into anxiety, super soft smoke, one of my favs.
as far as I know its anyones guess where this next one came from. But its an american favorite. rare and exotic. This is the natural color of these buds. they grow a distinct olive, gold and grey color. The smell is amazing and intangible. like banana nut bread and peppery spices. mellow stony happy high. Thick cigar smelling smoke.