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Old 10-22-2018, 05:09 PM #1
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Buds not putting on weight

So I have reached the skill level of an organic grower where I can veg in my mix and plants grow lush and vigorous with no deficiencies, and I have only put the healthiest plants into the bloom room.

But in bloom around day 30, I start getting worried that the buds are not filling out properly.
I can't see any deficiencies, the leaves look perky and are praying, other than a tiny amount of tip burn I don't see any nutrient burn, leaves are on the darker side, but not extremely dark where I would think it is an issue.

My nutrient mix is on the richer side as I only feed water during bloom and want to keep it simple for now. Temps are 77-82 lights on (most of the time just under 80), 60-70 lights off. Brand new 1000W hortilux super eye bulbs

Is it possible that my mix is too rich? Is this common or possible with organics? I thought plants take what they need in organics, and this whole nutrient lockout thing doesn't happen in real soil. I figured I rather have a rich soil, as opposed to seeing a def., on day 30, catching it a week later with a top dress or compost tea, by which time too much stress has occurred and growth is affected. As well compost teas actually caused some problems on the last grow as I think there is already enough in my soil mix.

Here they are Day 34 blueberry cheesecake





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Here is another strain on Day 40 it is Scotts OG x Agent Orange

The tops seem to go lime green



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here is my soil mix.

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Here are the BBCH before flip.

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Hum... I'm an outdoor grower and the only time I see growth like that is when I plant in corn north/south. East/West they produce and fatten up, otherwise they foxtail like shit and never fatten up.

I only plant in areas where the farmer missed a couple rows. I chock it up to not enough direct light. But that shouldn't be your issue.
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Yes, brand new bulb, 1000W over a 4x4 area, and some of these are directly under the light. 24" from bulb.
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I don't know... but when I baby my shit, it rarely goes well for me. So my instincts tell me your mix is too complicated.

When I see leaves like that outside I think low N. Indoor either low N or light bleaching. But even that shouldn't affect bud weight.
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here is my soil mix.

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I've got a theory but let me gather some information

Amendments- Is this per container?

How much time between pruning those lowers and flip to flower?
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And also, how long do you veg total?
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You are correct PaulieWaulie about the plant being in charge.
Meaning they decide what they want to uptake by what exudes it sends to the roots.
Myself i prefer my medium to be light in amendments (mix in globally) and leave what i call buried treasures featuring P & K on the bottom of my flowering pots.
My vegetative pots are done this same way only it features higher N.
I think one of the important things to remember is that mychorrizal fungi is responsible for much of the uptake of phosphorus.
Do you know that liquid P only retards the growth of the fungi, so no liquids !
Also fertilizer with high ratio of P also retards this growth.
I try and not use any fertilizer that has a higher ratio of P then a 8 during flowering.

Being that P and K are the elements most needed for flowering but I do not change my vegetative elements until after the stretch is over ,approximately 2.5-3 weeks after clock is set back for the plants still need much N to build the mass that is needed for bud development.
I'll do this with top dressing of N my favorite is 10-2-1 bat guano, I mix it with some worm castings, the guano's are readily available for 10-12 days.
When I make teas i do it for the beastie's that they bring not so much a feeding.
A good care taker provides what the plant wants at the right time but always give the plant the choice if it wants to uptake it or not.
By leaving a table spoon or 3-4 of P & K here or there on the bottom of your containers instead of mix in globally is the key factor.
Hoping for you to reach that next level!
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