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News on UK Policy Direction from Home Office

DemonPigeon

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Here's the takeaway points from the UPA meeting with the HO.

The interim expert panel who have been put in place to screen applications currently will be disbanded this winter and clinical specialists will be able to apply for import licenses for their patients.

The official NICE guidelines will be prepared for release this time next year relating to three conditions/symptoms: Chemo Nausea, chronic pain and treatment resistant epilepsy.

Eventually prescriptions will be allowed for floral products and by GPs as well as specialists.

Smoking won't be recognised as medicine but vaping and oils taken orally will be.

The medical necessity legal defence may be reinstated for cannabis and police will be asked to deprioritize cannabis, however these changes are going to be phased in over the next couple of years so it's not going to be an overnight change.
 

DemonPigeon

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So the MoDA basically says both THC and any part of the cannabis plant are illegal but with two sets of caveats and exceptions that allow extracted products, stalks and fiber. Buds are not covered by the exceptions and THC buds are illegal to possess both on the grounds of their chemical composition and because they are parts of the cannabis plant. Testing buds is not required for the police to charge cannabis possession/production because the possession of cannabis flowers without some kind of license is illegal regardless of THC content and this is confirmed if you look up the relevant sentencing guidelines.

THC extracts are illegal on the basis of their THC.
CBD extracts which don't contain THC or prohibited plant matter hit neither of the two prohibitions so are legal.

However, although the law is not ambiguous, there's widespread confusion even among the police about the specifics of the MoDA. A lot of people are confused by the 0.3% THC limit, that's the acceptable level of THC in hemp grown under EU license, that limit is an agricultural limit under the terms of a license and doesn't apply to possession under the MoDA which is a national criminal law.

Hemp Tea is "allowed" but should not contain flowers, Hempen, a cooperative that farm hemp under licence have had to remove flowers and leaves from their "hemp Tea" so it's now literally a bag of stalks. Companies that don't farm their own hemp don't have the same kind of govt oversight and so get away with it but yeah, if the police found you in possession of buds they have every legal ability to charge you just the same as they could for THC buds.
 

DemonPigeon

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A bloke on another uk site is saying that headshops are soon to start selling cbd buds

A lot already do because neither they nor the average Bobby are informed enough to know what's legal, if you saw the recent raid on that Plymouth headship followed by the police returning of all their CBD *oils* that's a classic example of the utter confusion in practice, but actually the grey area, legally speaking, when it comes to CBD buds, doesn't exist.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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I guess that its a small step in the direction of legalization albeit very controlled but great for med patients. At least those in greatest need can benefit from this.
 

madalasatori

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A lot already do because neither they nor the average Bobby are informed enough to know what's legal, if you saw the recent raid on that Plymouth headship followed by the police returning of all their CBD *oils* that's a classic example of the utter confusion in practice, but actually the grey area, legally speaking, when it comes to CBD buds, doesn't exist.



This is the thing - if cbd buds are legal and thc ones are not then how can old bill tell which is which?
 

DemonPigeon

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This is the thing - if cbd buds are legal and thc ones are not then how can old bill tell which is which?

They can't but as I said they don't actually need to because any cannabis flowers are illegal according to the law separate from their chemical composition.
 

DemonPigeon

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I guess that its a small step in the direction of legalization albeit very controlled but great for med patients. At least those in greatest need can benefit from this.

The legalize movement has always invoked human rights and personal freedom etc. for some sad reason politicians aren't persuaded on those grounds.

Preventing the sick from accessing safe and effective medicine is a bad look because it offends both morality and common sense, Elizabeth Brice used this argument and after 6 years of campaigning and lobbying with the Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics she contributed as much towards creating sativex as GWPharma in my opinion after reading some of her archives.

We've seen various groups make this argument again recently and there's been more and more ground gained across all parties.

Some people debate how enforceable cannabis possession could be if the police were at risk of regular public embarrassment by stopping patients who are legally entitled to possess their medicine and unable to profile criminality by smell etc. but then again what part of the war on drugs is "practical" anyway?
Even if the current news is as far as things move that still means in lets say, 4 years time there could be up to 150,000 treatment resistant epileptics allowed to vape cannabis in the UK and who knows how many chronic pain patients with many different conditions and so many cancer patients.
 

DemonPigeon

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I'm currently about to import some thca,, any thoughts?

It's a really interesting question because some of the legal ways cannabinoids are already classified are slightly divergent from current models because the biochemical science around it has developed and shown some of the wordings used in the drafting when we knew a lot less about cannabinoids are not technically correct.

I think like with the Taxonomic argument tried in the 70's exploiting sloppy wording in the US law "It's indica, the law says sativa" that the spirit of the law usually trumps loopholes of a technical nature and the practical reality that THCa will degrade into THC over time means it'd be very hard to argue it isn't/doesn't contain THC.

November 1st has been given as the date for cannabis to be rescheduled by the way if no one has seen the news from any of the UPA's social media.
 

window

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A bloke on another uk site is saying that headshops are soon to start selling cbd buds

I walked into a shop in Portsmouth last Saturday and brought some cbd blue dream bud for 9 quid, just to try it.
They had jars of all different varieties like cookies, og kush and the like behind the counter and were serving coffees almost like an Amsterdam coffee shop, lol.

The prices ranged from seven to fifteen pounds a gram with cookies being the dearest, outrageous really as it doesn’t even get you high but it’s a start in the right direction I suppose.

Some of the trim work on the buds was terrible, ha ha.
I have to wonder if they do legalise proper weed, what will they charge then? 30-40 a gram??
 

englishrick

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Yes window,,, this is the type of shop I am currently investing in,, Manchester will have one in the city centre soon,, by hook or by crook
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Good luck with the new shop Rick - I had 4 on the boil 10 years ago - London and Amsterdam - and it was rather hectic to say the least.


Yes window,,, this is the type of shop I am currently investing in,, Manchester will have one in the city centre soon,, by hook or by crook
 

englishrick

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I used to visit euan in seed bootique years ago when I worked in Amsterdam,, don't know if you remember me,, i managed lacanna smartshop,, friends with Chris the glass blower and Alicia bridges,, (love here number BTW),,

I used to work in Dr Hermans in Manchester,, owned by shaun my mums friend,, Hermans was the premier seed shop at the time. Aflex plaice is owned by Charlie Bloxham,, I'm friends with young Charlie,, Aflex is perfect to start,, my friend has a seedshop cald hempworks and he's got space free,,,

It's on,,,

I need help though gypsy,,, this is a big idea and change in industry,,

Check this shit out

https://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?isR...1.R1.TR4.TRC2.A0.H0.XCbd flo.TRS0&_mwBanner=1

Ebay,, fukin ebay
 

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