[franklyweed]

Unfortunately, 80% of the growers don't need this, though useful

[Yard dog]

Originally Posted by mushroombrew

Seems like you guys all agree that using someones seed stock is ok if you acknowledge the original breeder.

But that is not what gets everybody bent.

It's the clones gents. Someone gets a clone that wasn't supposed to be passed and breeds with it. I have Josey's Sour Dubb. I am not supposed to. Mis labled clone. So if I release an S1 I am a dickhead basically.

Any idea how much drama the Corey cut created? Wow. Oh there is an S1 being made standby for the shit slinging.

And in this clone x clone era the beef is big.

I found a bomb copper chem male. The best I have ever seen in a chem line. Who was the first guy to hear about it? GU I emailed him pics.

I am line breeding. Ever heard of it?? LOL! My current pop is 150. Still "small" I will be picking the stinkers for a terp line breed. Will take 2yrs before seeds are ready for release.

I will only sell seeds that produce 2-3 phenos. Not 127 phenos like the latest Purple Punch x GMO cross.

For me breeding is all in the males. Fem seed was a way of breeders not releasing their males. but fem x fem(poly x poly) is causing issues already. Loads of herms, N sensitivity and 127 phenos. Also Fem crosses around f8 are not looking to hot.

Modern poly's are mutating pretty bad. Another decade of this and many breeders will have garbage muddled genetics. Eventually poly x poly becomes sterile. Mule OG.

I pick very symmetrical structure in my males. I find they are always diploid.

I see a lot of talk on IG about fem only breeding. I do not believe it is a sustainable practice.

Males for the win.

Why do you not think that it is sustainable? for what reason ? will there be no females to pick from?
Why males for the win? how many males do you pick from? how are they selected? (just because they are symmetrical?)
femxfem does not need to equate to polyxpoly.... just the same as female (poly) x male (poly) ?!?!
What will pics of the male chem prove? surely seeing his progeny is a better indicator? did you self the male?
What would the purpose of the male be? to pass on his traits and influence the population? (and future selections based on this? )

[mushroombrew]

@AVOH sorry for the off topic action...

@ Yard Dog Damn just shy of 20 questions!

The issue I am seeing constantly is extreme variation. Why? because when you find that special 1 in 10,000 female the chances of her being stable are about zero.

If only one plant is a keeper that, in my opinion, is not a "strain" it is just a "cross". A strain should produce consistent, stable offspring.

90% of "Breeders" are crossing clone only to clone only. And using clone only for BX.

The reason I use symmetry as a guide is because I have yet to find a poly that is. I mean all the way through flower perfect balance. I do not want to continue poly x poly breeding. Or spending $1000's on genetic testing to find diploids. Or going as far back as Landrace. So I pick symmetrical plants for at least one parent. So far so good.

Of course as you said fem x fem does not equal poly x poly always. But these days it often does.

I have two copper chem males. One is diploid one is poly. In case you didn't know you cannot breed poly out. One passes Chem 4 terps the other ChemD

I breed the dip male to poly's and the poly male to Dip females. Or dip x dip.

So never poly x poly.

And yes my stud is so great because of what he passes. I have opened up 8 new lines made with him. He passes symmetry, increases terps, and improves resin in both male and female seedlings. He is in a tent with 40 cuts right now. Test pops; then repeat the best and line breed them.

I can use him for BX's. He "cleans" up the genetics and greatly improves anything he touches. How many seed companies have you seen crush it with just 1 male? I can think of several.

I am heading "backwards" genetically to create stable offspring. All the lines I have made are quite homogenous for unworked F1's. Why? Because my male is "true breeding"

I pop seeds constantly. The only seedlings with uniformity I have grown recently come from my stock. That is just sad. I am all for a good pheno hunt but selling gear that fragmented is lame.

Just look at all the S1 clone only seeds around. Unstable crap. I do not need thiosulphate
to be successful. I have no intentions of making any fem crosses. C-Banana S1? Does that C stand for crap? No thanks.

I have a Y chromosome. So does my pollen...

It's just my opinion. Not interested in arguing my views. I have been growing cannabis for 30 years indoors. I came to this point of view with loads of practical experience.
Lost count of how many guys crossing clone only's for 3 years that tell me I am wrong lol

Time will tell.

[dank.frank]

9-21-2012

Originally Posted by dank.frank

If you buy Stank Bros seed, then you bought a genetic line...you own it, it is yours. Do as you wish! But if you post up your pheno options, I'll certainly help point out nuances a first time grower of these genetics might miss, to help one achieve their end goal.

1-22-2015

Originally Posted by dank.frank

At this point - you bought and paid for them - you F2'ed them, they are YOUR genetics!!! I'm super glad you are putting them to good use and letting others enjoy them as well. Much

I love that this thread was started because of me. I love that I have been mocked and belittled and laughed at for sticking my heels in the sand and calling crooks exactly what they are. Those who have knowingly and intentionally manipulated and lied to breeders to get access to genetics and broken their promises.

I love that NOT ONE PERSON has ever taken the time to actually figure out my own personal stance on such things.

Until recently, GOOD people had to risk their lives and their freedom to bring you all the genetics that fill you jars, your lungs, and for many of you, your bank accounts.

There has ALWAYS been an unspoken, underlying, understood RESPECT among those that have grown cannabis while under the veil of prohibition. That is how genetics got shared and things got created. Collaborative efforts among those who simply respected each other.

I have made posts and shown support for WHAT IS RIGHT. It has zero to do with my personal opinions. It has EVERYTHING to do with sticking up for those who have been wronged. How do you determine right or wrong? Simple. You talk with the breeder and you simply HONOR their wishes.

Respect and honor. The f.u.c.k. is wrong with you people these days?!



dank.Frank

[Blind Joe Death]

@Mushroombrew I think you are confusing poly hybrids with polyploidy...the two arent the same and when most people here talk about "poly x poly" they are talking about poly hybrids which the chems are.

[AVOH]

Originally Posted by dank.frank

9-21-2012



1-22-2015




I love that this thread was started because of me. I love that I have been mocked and belittled and laughed at for sticking my heels in the sand and calling crooks exactly what they are. Those who have knowingly and intentionally manipulated and lied to breeders to get access to genetics and broken their promises.

I love that NOT ONE PERSON has ever taken the time to actually figure out my own personal stance on such things.

Until recently, GOOD people had to risk their lives and their freedom to bring you all the genetics that fill you jars, your lungs, and for many of you, your bank accounts.

There has ALWAYS been an unspoken, underlying, understood RESPECT among those that have grown cannabis while under the veil of prohibition. That is how genetics got shared and things got created. Collaborative efforts among those who simply respected each other.

I have made posts and shown support for WHAT IS RIGHT. It has zero to do with my personal opinions. It has EVERYTHING to do with sticking up for those who have been wronged. How do you determine right or wrong? Simple. You talk with the breeder and you simply HONOR their wishes.

Respect and honor. The f.u.c.k. is wrong with you people these days?!



dank.Frank

Dank this thread wasnt started because of you, and honestly i dont want you to take the statement on the other thread to offensive thats exactly why i took it down. I actually thought it was a good idea just to have something like is up. If you want to discuss anything futher we could do a p.m and speak but i have no problems with you at all. And all this on line drama is messing up this place that i call home.

[AVOH]

Originally Posted by mushroombrew

@AVOH sorry for the off topic action...

@ Yard Dog Damn just shy of 20 questions!

The issue I am seeing constantly is extreme variation. Why? because when you find that special 1 in 10,000 female the chances of her being stable are about zero.

If only one plant is a keeper that, in my opinion, is not a "strain" it is just a "cross". A strain should produce consistent, stable offspring.

90% of "Breeders" are crossing clone only to clone only. And using clone only for BX.

The reason I use symmetry as a guide is because I have yet to find a poly that is. I mean all the way through flower perfect balance. I do not want to continue poly x poly breeding. Or spending $1000's on genetic testing to find diploids. Or going as far back as Landrace. So I pick symmetrical plants for at least one parent. So far so good.

Of course as you said fem x fem does not equal poly x poly always. But these days it often does.

I have two copper chem males. One is diploid one is poly. In case you didn't know you cannot breed poly out. One passes Chem 4 terps the other ChemD

I breed the dip male to poly's and the poly male to Dip females. Or dip x dip.

So never poly x poly.

And yes my stud is so great because of what he passes. I have opened up 8 new lines made with him. He passes symmetry, increases terps, and improves resin in both male and female seedlings. He is in a tent with 40 cuts right now. Test pops; then repeat the best and line breed them.

I can use him for BX's. He "cleans" up the genetics and greatly improves anything he touches. How many seed companies have you seen crush it with just 1 male? I can think of several.

I am heading "backwards" genetically to create stable offspring. All the lines I have made are quite homogenous for unworked F1's. Why? Because my male is "true breeding"

I pop seeds constantly. The only seedlings with uniformity I have grown recently come from my stock. That is just sad. I am all for a good pheno hunt but selling gear that fragmented is lame.

Just look at all the S1 clone only seeds around. Unstable crap. I do not need thiosulphate
to be successful. I have no intentions of making any fem crosses. C-Banana S1? Does that C stand for crap? No thanks.

I have a Y chromosome. So does my pollen...

It's just my opinion. Not interested in arguing my views. I have been growing cannabis for 30 years indoors. I came to this point of view with loads of practical experience.
Lost count of how many guys crossing clone only's for 3 years that tell me I am wrong lol

Time will tell.

All opinions and views are welcome on here mushroom On subject or not
This is icmag we learn and grow here
Thank you for the info and post

[dank.frank]

AVOH, Nothing you have ever said has offended me and I certainly don't have hostility for this community as a whole.

I know I've had a harsh vibe. I told F.A.M. I need to take a break from the site. I did so, for a month, actually. When I came back, I was greeted by a ridiculous PM, that in my opinion was essentially a bribe offer to quit telling the truth and it set me off again. I had promised myself I wasn't going down such rabbit holes anymore. That it wasn't my place.

I'm not trying to ruin your home, because it's my home as well. I'm not running around punching holes in the wall. The opposite.

If we were sitting on the couch together and you got up to use the bathroom and person C helps himself to your jar and pockets some, would you NOT expect me to tell you? Would you not want to know what dude chilling with us just did? Would you not then consider me complacent and guilty as well if I didn't speak up? You'd never be able to trust me again and rightfully so.

I view my current protests as much the same. I'm trying to maintain the integrity of our home by sharing the truth.

I do apologize though. In many ways, you are right. The repetitive nature of such posts really does harsh the vibe. Sincerely, I'm working on that. I really don't like swinging the hammer all the time.



dank.Frank

[3rd-3yed]

I could not agree more with what was being said previously in this thread... Unfortunately greed and lies are everywhere since a long time in the canna seed game, wack players breaking promises or showing lack of respect for pionners that paved the way before them without even giving them credit for the genetics they used.

Of course it's only getting worse since the legalisation joke, so many more rich businessmens and big corporations in the game running for cash than ever before... Money is the roots of all evils as they say.

Building a good like minded people network is what it's all about to push the community in the right direction. Allways show respect for friends who helped you on your mission to free the plant or ad more genetic diversity to the genepool. Soldiers of the sacred plant as truth will allways rise above the surface and be exposed.

[Yard dog]

DF~

I don't know the scoop on who wronged you, I do know you are right to let people know about it though! there will always be people looking to profit from others no matter what & without care for anything other than themselves and the $$...

Rules are there for reasons, some to be broken others to be obeyed