[Gr33nSanta]

To be clear, I have no desire to get in the seed biz. A truly special plant is what I am after. If I succeed, I will gladly share and hope people do not forget where it came from, that s all!

[Miraculous Meds]

To make something with seeds you have purchased is totally fine. that's how the people that sold them to you got started, or they were given to them, or they found them from the earth. they weren't born with seeds in their butthole. So making seeds from what you purchased is fine. Now like some have mentioned already, when someone has built a brand around their work, and you just make f2's and use their branding to sell your seeds, that's stealing from their hard work.


Now im a Dj short fan. And Dj has been in this situation and spoken about it several times. What I said is basically where hes coming from. Make whatever you want, hell he even released his mother plants. Just don't make knockoffs of dj short bb, and sell it. at least not till the guys dead or retired. Otherwise your just living on his coat tails of work. Make them, grow them, give them away.


But I also understand Stoneys perspective, that people that want originals, are gonna source them and pay up for them. And somebody like dj, isn't exactly easy to get originals since you have to get them from him, not seed banks. So if you want to grow bb and cant get in contact with dj, what are your choices? Theres many knock off bb varieties for sale. How bout working a deal with the breeder and giving a %. Nobody does it, you know why, cause there is no law or punishment for not paying the original breeder. So if you want to make your own bb, then add something of value that you like with an outcross if your going to sell it, and call it your own bb name. Then credit the lineage accurately. That would be a fine way to go about it. But the people just making copies of others works that are still selling, would be prosecuted and lose all their money for copyright infringement. It will be a giant mess when fed legalization happens, billions of dollars to be settled, and the lawyers win again.


If your one of those people that say well, some cant afford them, or some don't have access to obtain them, and you feel bad for those people, and want them to have access to those genetics. Why not make the seed and just give it to them, instead of calling them the original name, and making f2's of them, to sell at a really low price, cause all the work you had into it was buying a pack of seeds, and growing a couple plants.


I usually don't respond to threads like this, cause inevitably it offers an opportunity for the knock off people to come here and state their case, basically spreading their word to sell their knockoffs. I think its important to discuss though, so people can get more educated on the subject. So thanks for asking it again.

[beanz]

lets start with what breeders consider too be fair ( most breeders )
make f2 is ok , if your don,t make profit from them , or use then too profit without permission .
if you want to make money from the line , take it several generations and put a different spin on it from the original .

most don,t like in house crosses being made of there brands , but anything go,s crossing with another strain outside there branding

messing with testers and making seed is certainly frowned upon .

I think these all are pretty reasonable , theres some that we hear have unrealistic expectations and think they can sell there product and keep restrictions on it . lets face it most of us are just canna fans and if we make seed we share it with our fellow friends and profit doesnt even enter our minds .

I think some breeders are realising , being greedy and trying to put restrictions on everything just makes them look bad , the weed world is evolving and people views on sharing is changing and helping others ....its not about ego anymore for some . there will always be seed sales for breeders if there work is good , regardless if people make seed of there product or not . one bad egg spoils it sometimes and rips and breeder off and profits from there line in raw form , but its not an out of control thing imo . ( it gets put in a thread soon enough who that breeder was and does them more harm than good normally )


my personal views , if you paid for it ....do what you want ( sept profiting ), finding off spring In f2 is likely too take you down a different road unless its super stable line . I Paid big money for some seed first thing I,m doing it making more seed , 10 seeds is not enough for me I don,t keep clones so seeds is my asset or investment . sometimes paying upwards of 300 US I,m certainly going reproduce more to make my money go further . its not even that ...also the effort to get some seeds is a hop skip and a jump also , its not a matter of walking into the corner store , it takes me several weeks or sometimes months and help from friends to even get a strain .

anything gifted , is given the utmost respect...... end off .
not even shared with friends if that is what is asked or seeds made of it .... nothing .
asume nothing with gifted seeds , always ask .

[JohnnyChicago]

My personal opinion is that real true breeding is only when you start your work with landraces, heavy inbred strains or when you know extactly the genetical background of the plants you are using.

And a breeder that does not test a strain before releasing it, is no more a real breeder for me. It's not because you have been successful in breeding a few strains in the past (and crossing these with elite cuts), that this gives you the right to use the paying customers of your expensive seeds, as beta-testers.

A lot of people have been scammed by one of the most respected breeders, that was hyping his own untested strain for month before releasing it on SB. Then released it slowly. Few packs first, then another few and so on. But obviuosly he is to much respected here on the forum to be criticized for hyping untested crosses. He probably did share a lot of seeds with the right people or/and people do scare to loose their realationship with this well respected breeder. Thats how it seem to work in this business.

What I really would love to see is more breeders and seed sellers donating a small % their benefit to the medical MMJ research.

[zachrockbadenof]

there are 'breeders' on seedbay/elsewhere who are selling 20-30-50 diff seeds... how could this be??? do they have 20-30-50 diff rooms to be sure that the pollen from one is not pollinating another. when they go from one room to another are they changing clothes so not to bring it into another room..

in 20yrs of growing, i can count the number of 'breeders' on one hand... and mite even have a finger or two left...

[Natural high]

Originally Posted by zachrockbadenof

there are 'breeders' on seedbay/elsewhere who are selling 20-30-50 diff seeds... how could this be??? do they have 20-30-50 diff rooms to be sure that the pollen from one is not pollinating another. when they go from one room to another are they changing clothes so not to bring it into another room..

Yes unless they are a very big and secure operation then there is bound to be some cross contamination. This is the reason why the odd male has been reported in some feminized seeds.

[Yard dog]

Originally Posted by Natural high

Yes unless they are a very big and secure operation then there is bound to be some cross contamination. This is the reason why the odd male has been reported in some feminized seeds.

Maybe you should put alleged reason rather than reason? or have people had proof they have a Y in there?

[VenturaHwy]

What is legal or who owns the genetics? That is the real quesion. Or is the name copyrighted? I don't believe anyone owns anything legally except a name they may have copyrighted.

So anything more than this means nothing. If you payed for the seeds they are yours. If someone gives you a clone with restrictions keep your word.

Remember, Zuckerberg did not come up with the idea for Fakebook. He stole the idea. What were the names of the guys he stole it from? I only know because I like the movie.

[Natural high]

Originally Posted by Yard dog

Maybe you should put alleged reason rather than reason? or have people had proof they have a Y in there?

Yeah sorry I was only talking about true males. The XX "males" are another story.

[mushroombrew]

Seems like you guys all agree that using someones seed stock is ok if you acknowledge the original breeder.

But that is not what gets everybody bent.

It's the clones gents. Someone gets a clone that wasn't supposed to be passed and breeds with it. I have Josey's Sour Dubb. I am not supposed to. Mis labled clone. So if I release an S1 I am a dickhead basically.

Any idea how much drama the Corey cut created? Wow. Oh there is an S1 being made standby for the shit slinging.

And in this clone x clone era the beef is big.

I found a bomb copper chem male. The best I have ever seen in a chem line. Who was the first guy to hear about it? GU I emailed him pics.

I am line breeding. Ever heard of it?? LOL! My current pop is 150. Still "small" I will be picking the stinkers for a terp line breed. Will take 2yrs before seeds are ready for release.

I will only sell seeds that produce 2-3 phenos. Not 127 phenos like the latest Purple Punch x GMO cross.

For me breeding is all in the males. Fem seed was a way of breeders not releasing their males. but fem x fem(poly x poly) is causing issues already. Loads of herms, N sensitivity and 127 phenos. Also Fem crosses around f8 are not looking to hot.

Modern poly's are mutating pretty bad. Another decade of this and many breeders will have garbage muddled genetics. Eventually poly x poly becomes sterile. Mule OG.

I pick very symmetrical structure in my males. I find they are always diploid.

I see a lot of talk on IG about fem only breeding. I do not believe it is a sustainable practice.

Males for the win.