[Natural high]

I think if you breed for profit or recognition using other peoples work then you should acknowledge the origins of the original genetics. To not do so is just selfish and shows a lack of integrity.

[Wendull C.]

If I buy two horses, breed em, and sell the fole, do I owe the breeder I bought the sire and damn from? Other than saying on the papers their lineage?

[sourpuss]

Do whatever you want imo. Way i see it is every breeder got theirs from somewhere, permission or not it really doesnt matter. Its a compliment to the breeder imo to create seed from their work. More people working on the same line is better than 1. Experimenting with different hybrids of the same strain. Finding that keeper hybrid.

Basically it doesnt matter what rules and stuff you guys make up. In the canna world most dont follow the rules anyway lol.

[AVOH]

All good views im glad every one is shedding light from their perspective
I wonder what some old school and new era breeders have to say on the subject

[silverhazefiend]

The problem is some breeders suck as business men and some business men suck at being a breeder and when u have that un even balance theres always some where for someone to cash in on the best ones find a balance btwn business and genetics

For example if i was a breeder and i didnt want my shit hacked i would leave no room for hacks .. release f1s for normal price f2s for half that f3s for half that etc .. but the thought of taking less money is absurd to some and then u mad when people hack ya shit .. imitations is one of the highest forms of flattery and theres no such thing as bad press a real business man would have found a way to get the orginals to the masses in abundance bc the name is BIGGER than ever but nah people rather complain than capitalize

But ALOT of them barely test stuff much less breed into f2 unless its a HIT .. right now some f2s are fetching more than f1 bc the breeder didnt kno what he had until it was gone now the f2s have a popular name and hes tryna cash in and the orginal parents are long gone

All that said im open to newcomers imagine we had to buy from the same 5 companies bc they did the only true breeding.. yea we would have boring stable plants ..

[CaptainDankness]

Originally Posted by Natural high

I think if you breed for profit or recognition using other peoples work then you should acknowledge the origins of the original genetics. To not do so is just selfish and shows a lack of integrity.

Yeah, for real even if not out of respect, I want to know the lineage. Don't really care for Serious Seeds just because of that, sure they have good genetics but I swear AK-47 is some kind of Super Skunk at least when I grew it not sure if that was before or after they changed it.

[Wendull C.]

I agree. To not give credit is wrong and shows a lack of respect and much more.

One must be honest and as open as possible, while not giving away proprietary secrets.

[Easy7]

I agree with greensanta.

Although some breeders lose stock, parents, moms and have crap remaining to work with. In that case, someone else may have old seeds to f2. Like with ak47.

Given the chance, buying reputable seeds is choice. Breeders are like artists. You like their style or not and value the character of their work. But sometimes, if not often in this biz, such as with c99 rerelease - rep is deceptive.

So there is some hope with clone only's that came from old, at the time, common seed packs. We like to think that peopke found and kept the best phenos of a strain. Although it's hopeful and lacking certainty.

There are things you learn in this area of interest. Strain name may mean it is what you think, may not as well. Gotta do a lot of homework. An f2 or choice cross by a chucker, perhaps is the best available representation of a yesteryear strain.

I can think of smoke that led to good personal memories at the time. Might not have been the best representation of the strain or strain family. But to reconnect with old times is a value unto itself.

There is usually an expectation of quality. I feel it's less about breeder ego, but meeting expectations of the consumer.

[Maple_Flail]

Originally Posted by Easy7

I agree with greensanta.

Although some breeders lose stock, parents, moms and have crap remaining to work with. In that case, someone else may have old seeds to f2. Like with ak47.

Given the chance, buying reputable seeds is choice. Breeders are like artists. You like their style or not and value the character of their work. But sometimes, if not often in this biz, such as with c99 rerelease - rep is deceptive.

So there is some hope with clone only's that came from old, at the time, common seed packs. We like to think that peopke found and kept the best phenos of a strain. Although it's hopeful and lacking certainty.

There are things you learn in this area of interest. Strain name may mean it is what you think, may not as well. Gotta do a lot of homework. An f2 or choice cross by a chucker, perhaps is the best available representation of a yesteryear strain.

I can think of smoke that led to good personal memories at the time. Might not have been the best representation of the strain or strain family. But to reconnect with old times is a value unto itself.

There is usually an expectation of quality. I feel it's less about breeder ego, but meeting expectations of the consumer.

really like that line, perfect parallel.

on a side note, what's up with the C99 re release? I've not heard many rumblings but i've not had a change to try it or run it myself.

[Dropped Cat]

Many would agree that a simple permission request
is a friendly gesture.

If a breeder releases seeds for commercial distribution
an unwritten agreement is assumed that breeding the
seeds should at least acknowledge the line's origination.

But scabbing genetics seems to be the de rigueur.

Carry on.