[covert]

As a scientific kind of person I have trouble understanding some things and I have to say the most puzzling of all is this thing they call raykee. No not the turkish alcoholic national drink. The thing they do with their hands above bodies. I mean in principle it would be fantastic if it worked or could be proven to work. Alas I'm told it can't work in doubters so I've never been a good candidate for a self test.

Curses, voodoo, black magic and evil eye are recurring themes in history across cultures.

I wonder whether anyone believes that a person's fate or destiny can be controlled by the evil wishes of someone other than themselves.

Thoughts?

[Weird]

a curse doesn't have to be real to evoke a real psychological response and therein lies the basis for the cognitive dissonance

the fact that you are "so scientific" makes that cognitive dissonances greater because as a self constructed belief it is challenged by facets of the human condition such as perception and psychology which seem to work against science but in reality they do not.

not at all, they simply obey different scientific laws some of which are till being unraveled by the very science you believe in.

might seem abstract but this tGD lyric reveals the same concept in esoteric terms

"I can tell your future Look what's in your hand"

[Easy7]

Not wishes, energy. It's not intent of the ego.

Same way subconscious turmoil can promote disease. Then again it may all be point of view.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Superstition - Stevie Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CFuCYNx-1g

*soundtrack for this thread.

[genesis129]

Modern science doesn't hold the spiritual world in high regard. The modern world follows that same paradigm. Science is based around a lot of unproven, invisible, theories of existence which in reality isn't much different then a faith based reality founded on invisible forces of God,Earth,Spirits, etc...
I think there are dimensions of existence dimensions of the flesh and dimensions of other body forms(spirit world). just imho, peace

[Weird]

the spirit world consists of unseen causation of which science has identified but not unified some of the underlying phenomenon but to think that they both aren't simply different takes on the same reality is where most people let it get ugly

a easy to grasp example would be of a deaf assessing the world with their eyes and a blind person assessing the world with their ears

are they sensing two different worlds that are independent of each other or are they experiencing one world through independent senses which in many situations are unified in the same person (i.e. they see and hear the same world with both senses interdependent but brought together for further purpose by the mind)

that is a rhetorical question fwiw

[beta]

Supernatural beliefs are by definition faith-based beliefs. The opposite of a faith-based belief is an evidence-based belief.

If it can't be objectively demonstrated or measured it is indistinguishable from pure fiction. Faith-based beliefs are as valid as anything anyone could make up on the spot.

[troutman]

If they were real I think Trump would be feeling some needles right now.

Maybe I got the wrong doll.

Should have known it was a fake Trump doll when it said "Made in Hong Kong".

I think Putin has the real doll.

[Weird]

Originally Posted by beta

Supernatural beliefs are by definition faith-based beliefs. The opposite of a faith-based belief is an evidence-based belief.

If it can't be objectively demonstrated or measured it is indistinguishable from pure fiction. Faith-based beliefs are as valid as anything anyone could make up on the spot.

absolute nonsense

there is no supernatural there are simply phenomenon which have more than one explanation to their occurrence some of which are anecdotal and some of which are more scientifically formal

non of our interpretations create the phenomenon they simply dictate how we perceive it and thus create the framework in which we work with it, the results of which do not express in absolute or binary terms which is the ultimate condition of our experiential reality

the delusion is thinking because you can segment them in your mind that they are actually mutually exclusive when they observe the same reality and both can achieve like results

of course everyone is so entrenched in belief in ONE thing such as science or religion that they don't coexist gracefully already which s the real detrimental limiter of belief yet it is the reality that we experience today

[beta]

If you can't demonstrate it or prove it with evidence, how do you know it's real?

Personal experience doesn't count. Anecdote has been used to 'justify' belief in literally every crazy ass thing that's ever been imagined.

How specifically do you differentiate between a supernatural belief and pure fiction, barring our very very very biased personal experiences?