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gmanwho · 03-13-2018, 04:47 PM

only down part of not having a set schedule is when things dry out to much due to surface evaporation or an underwater, or multiple underwaters, that makes the nutrient dry out an revert to a bonded salt state again an builds. white crystal formations. once that salt is re moistened it may not ever become available again. it goes thru a chemical bonding process, i believe its called salinization.

this maybe another reason why during a dark period u may want to water again. just to keep the turface slightly moist to prevent salinization.

ive even actually had one particular area where problems arose due to ground fans rapidly evaporating the upper exposed turface/perlite . salt was building on these particular buckets an plants looked unhealthy an rest of room was fine. rest of room was further from the fans. these buckets had higher evaporation going on due to being closer to the fans

there is more surface area exposed in a 7 gal muck tub verse a 3.5 gal bucket. the muck tub was the original ppk design. 3.5 vs muck tub will also change things.

oti$ · 03-13-2018, 05:33 PM

With turface this is absolutely right, but we are talking coco mixes here, and in my experience , unless the plants are huge and suckling up loads of water, multiple watering during lights off keeps the medium too wet during those 12 hours. I never made the jump to turface because coco is a staple in all my systems (beds, dew smarties/air pots and ppks) and it was just cheaper and more convenient to buy a couple bags of hydroton for the ppks... I use the same 50/50 mix for dtw as well. I've considered trying turface, but the coco has been good to me all these years and it's easy to source, so I'll probably stick with it.

gmanwho · 03-14-2018, 03:57 PM

hey otis... i appreciate the conversation.

ive done multiple runs with straight coco in 2 or 3.5 gal buckets top drip with watering every hour, with runoff. larger plants usually. canna coco, botanicare, royal gold, hyrdofarm bricks, i then used coco perlite mixture, then tupur.

they grow like rockwool with multiple waterings, BUT only..when the plant has filled the bucket an at the right stage i would multiple water. they grow bat shit crazy at that point.

coco will still build salts. i def consider it a hydro medium an feel it should be treated as such, an not treated like soil, in the right environment.

the other thing otis an this is my take.... an people forget, or not realize is guess, or maybe im wrong, but when you water you are not just watering the plant for the sake of water/feeding. u are also..

1) readjusting the PH in the medium to whatever the feed ph is.

2) u are pushing out any unused food an reducing buildup in the rootzone, there for creating a medium with less buildup to prevent any future nutrient antagonisms

3)u also are exchanging the air in the medium cause a flood will push the old air out, then the gravity of the water draining will suck new air back in.

effectively doing multiple things with just a watering. smaller buckets with multiple feeds.

recently ive moved away from coco as my rooms became more demanding an i would have to increase food to keep up with co2 an DE lighting ,proper humidification an dehummidification . i felt i hit a point where the K in the coco may have interfering with nute uptake. there usually is alot of K in most bloom feeds to begin with. then the possibility of K leeching out of the coco , so i felt it was best to eliminate those variables.

one of my friends grows some of the best herb ive ever witnessed an smoked in straight royal gold coco.

every gardens different.. bwell

oti$ · 03-17-2018, 03:36 AM

Couldn't have said it better myself. Multiple watering daily is what really unlocks the potential of what you can do with coco. If you are only watering once per day, you may as well just go amended soil. I think many don't think about the oxygen exchange happening when you water...more watering per day= more O2 exchanges/day=happier roots=more shoots=more buds come harvest. I've attained "fast hydro"(dwc&rdwc) growth rates by watering coco multiple times a day. Sounds like you know your coco scripture well can, I like it

...we kinda hijacked the op's thread, but a little knowledge never hurt no one....

gmanwho · 03-17-2018, 03:53 PM

Nah no highjack thread, I run ppks mainly .

03-13-2018, 04:47 PM	#11
gmanwho See most people just think im an asshole, but im not. That's just my style. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NE... Posts: 2,176	only down part of not having a set schedule is when things dry out to much due to surface evaporation or an underwater, or multiple underwaters, that makes the nutrient dry out an revert to a bonded salt state again an builds. white crystal formations. once that salt is re moistened it may not ever become available again. it goes thru a chemical bonding process, i believe its called salinization. this maybe another reason why during a dark period u may want to water again. just to keep the turface slightly moist to prevent salinization. ive even actually had one particular area where problems arose due to ground fans rapidly evaporating the upper exposed turface/perlite . salt was building on these particular buckets an plants looked unhealthy an rest of room was fine. rest of room was further from the fans. these buckets had higher evaporation going on due to being closer to the fans there is more surface area exposed in a 7 gal muck tub verse a 3.5 gal bucket. the muck tub was the original ppk design. 3.5 vs muck tub will also change things.
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03-13-2018, 05:33 PM	#12
oti$ Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: north of hell, south of heaven Posts: 1,924	With turface this is absolutely right, but we are talking coco mixes here, and in my experience , unless the plants are huge and suckling up loads of water, multiple watering during lights off keeps the medium too wet during those 12 hours. I never made the jump to turface because coco is a staple in all my systems (beds, dew smarties/air pots and ppks) and it was just cheaper and more convenient to buy a couple bags of hydroton for the ppks... I use the same 50/50 mix for dtw as well. I've considered trying turface, but the coco has been good to me all these years and it's easy to source, so I'll probably stick with it.
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03-14-2018, 03:57 PM	#13
gmanwho See most people just think im an asshole, but im not. That's just my style. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NE... Posts: 2,176	hey otis... i appreciate the conversation. ive done multiple runs with straight coco in 2 or 3.5 gal buckets top drip with watering every hour, with runoff. larger plants usually. canna coco, botanicare, royal gold, hyrdofarm bricks, i then used coco perlite mixture, then tupur. they grow like rockwool with multiple waterings, BUT only..when the plant has filled the bucket an at the right stage i would multiple water. they grow bat shit crazy at that point. coco will still build salts. i def consider it a hydro medium an feel it should be treated as such, an not treated like soil, in the right environment. the other thing otis an this is my take.... an people forget, or not realize is guess, or maybe im wrong, but when you water you are not just watering the plant for the sake of water/feeding. u are also.. 1) readjusting the PH in the medium to whatever the feed ph is. 2) u are pushing out any unused food an reducing buildup in the rootzone, there for creating a medium with less buildup to prevent any future nutrient antagonisms 3)u also are exchanging the air in the medium cause a flood will push the old air out, then the gravity of the water draining will suck new air back in. effectively doing multiple things with just a watering. smaller buckets with multiple feeds. recently ive moved away from coco as my rooms became more demanding an i would have to increase food to keep up with co2 an DE lighting ,proper humidification an dehummidification . i felt i hit a point where the K in the coco may have interfering with nute uptake. there usually is alot of K in most bloom feeds to begin with. then the possibility of K leeching out of the coco , so i felt it was best to eliminate those variables. one of my friends grows some of the best herb ive ever witnessed an smoked in straight royal gold coco. every gardens different.. bwell
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03-17-2018, 03:36 AM	#14
oti$ Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: north of hell, south of heaven Posts: 1,924	Couldn't have said it better myself. Multiple watering daily is what really unlocks the potential of what you can do with coco. If you are only watering once per day, you may as well just go amended soil. I think many don't think about the oxygen exchange happening when you water...more watering per day= more O2 exchanges/day=happier roots=more shoots=more buds come harvest. I've attained "fast hydro"(dwc&rdwc) growth rates by watering coco multiple times a day. Sounds like you know your coco scripture well can, I like it...we kinda hijacked the op's thread, but a little knowledge never hurt no one....
	Quote 1 members found this post helpful.

03-17-2018, 03:53 PM	#15
gmanwho See most people just think im an asshole, but im not. That's just my style. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NE... Posts: 2,176	Nah no highjack thread, I run ppks mainly .
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