[Easy7]

Nobody even mentions disease and pest resistance on seed brands anymore.

True breeding is lost. Cut A selfed or crossed with male B is the way it's done. Hardly even any multiple females and males. No numbers for selection. Sad really!

There is a lot in a name for a brand and the 'industry' plays that game heavily. It's either grow for seedless flowers or chuck pollen. Unless you have a canna company that can do it all, with lot's of workers.

[oldbootz]

Originally Posted by Natural high

The same plants bred indoors or out will result in identical genetics. That being said, outdoors gives you the opportunity to identify those plants which have the particular attributes you are looking for, such as resistance to pest attack, frost or botrytis etc..

^^ this

[Thule]

Originally Posted by Natural high

The same plants bred indoors or out will result in identical genetics. That being said, outdoors gives you the opportunity to identify those plants which have the particular attributes you are looking for, such as resistance to pest attack, frost or botrytis etc..

I have to disagree with this one.

Surely if there's any diversity in a strain different genes will be selected for in an outdoor vs an indoor environment. Eventually due to genetic drift you can end up with very different lineanges of the same strain.

[Natural high]

Originally Posted by Thule

I have to disagree with this one.

Surely if there's any diversity in a strain different genes will be selected for in an outdoor vs an indoor environment. Eventually due to genetic drift you can end up with very different lineanges of the same strain.

I think you misunderstood my words. When I say the same plants I mean identical individuals crossed inside verses outdoors e.g. Clone A x Clone B indoors and clone A x clone B outdoors.

Both will result in identical genetics. The environmental stresses placed on the plants outdoors have no bearing on the outcome of the cross as the genes passed to the progeny will be the same regardless of environment.

Cheers

[Thule]

Originally Posted by Natural high

I think you misunderstood my words. When I say the same plants I mean identical individuals crossed inside verses outdoors e.g. Clone A x Clone B indoors and clone A x clone B outdoors.

Both will result in identical genetics. The environmental stresses placed on the plants outdoors have no bearing on the outcome of the cross as the genes passed to the progeny will be the same regardless of environment.

Cheers

Yeah, that makes sense to me now. There are epigenetic factors involved though, like genes switching on or off due to environmental factors or stress but no one knows how that plays out yet. It's all part of the aclimatization scheme which usually takes several generations to manifest.

[RedDirtWarrior]

Indoor is mans weed. outdoor is Gods weed. Which one is better? I guess that depends on your relationship with god.

[sourpuss]

Originally Posted by Natural high

I think you misunderstood my words. When I say the same plants I mean identical individuals crossed inside verses outdoors e.g. Clone A x Clone B indoors and clone A x clone B outdoors.

Both will result in identical genetics. The environmental stresses placed on the plants outdoors have no bearing on the outcome of the cross as the genes passed to the progeny will be the same regardless of environment.

Cheers

This is correct but outdoors there can be a natural selection. Survival of the fittest. Which can lead to adaptation thrpugh future generations...

[Natural high]

Originally Posted by sourpuss

This is correct but outdoors there can be a natural selection. Survival of the fittest. Which can lead to adaptation thrpugh future generations...

Of course, but this will only occur in a population left to survive in a natural environment without assistance or interference. Over time the "fittest" genes will be those that successfully reproduce through many generations in that environment. If a population of plants are tended to outdoors, the only selection which can occur is a conscious selection by the grower.

[djimb]

Originally Posted by Natural high

Of course, but this will only occur in a population left to survive in a natural environment without assistance or interference. Over time the "fittest" genes will be those that successfully reproduce through many generations in that environment. If a population of plants are tended to outdoors, the only selection which can occur is a conscious selection by the grower.

It's true that selection by the grower would be the strongest pressure on a population outdoors, but phenotypic expression is dependent on environmental factors, so while the grower' s selection criteria may be the same indoors or out, they will likely select different individuals in either environment.

Let's say one of your criteria is a compact habit. A plant That's compact outdoors might stretch more under lights, and even then, different lights produce different amounts of stretch. Similarly, a plant that stays nicely compact indoors might be unacceptably runty outdoors.

So regardless of what a grower selects for, environmental pressure still exists, and will play a role in which plants get selected to continue the line or breed with.

[Betterhaff]

I think you guys are going round ‘n round with some of this discussion. Plants from clone A and clone B that are grown and crossed in either environment will end up with same genetic mix. There is no selection, other than crossing those plants to begin with. Selections made from plants grown in the different environments may be affected by what is expressed.