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Harry Ballzonya · 03-03-2018, 07:40 PM

I've seen both sides of this argument. I personally prefer outdoor breeding because I do a lot of preservation and breeding for resistance. I can't say that outdoor breeding brings better mould, pest, pm, and frost resistance to the table over indoor, but maybe there's someone out there who has tested both and has the answers I'm looking for. I know that after breeding outdoors for over 20 years, my balls don't get nearly as cold as they did when I first started lmao. Perhaps

the same goes for plants eh?

MJPassion · 03-04-2018, 09:40 PM

This sounds like an interesting topic. My experience is limited to either or but not both for the same cross.

Natural high · 03-05-2018, 12:30 AM

The same plants bred indoors or out will result in identical genetics. That being said, outdoors gives you the opportunity to identify those plants which have the particular attributes you are looking for, such as resistance to pest attack, frost or botrytis etc..

Guy Brush · 03-05-2018, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Ballzonya

I've seen both sides of this argument. I personally prefer outdoor breeding because I do a lot of preservation and breeding for resistance. I can't say that outdoor breeding brings better mould, pest, pm, and frost resistance to the table over indoor, but maybe there's someone out there who has tested both and has the answers I'm looking for. I know that after breeding outdoors for over 20 years, my balls don't get nearly as cold as they did when I first started lmao. Perhaps

the same goes for plants eh?

What exactly was your question or theory?

namydnac · 03-06-2018, 12:34 AM

It be neat to see one strain open polinated inside and the same thing done outside. Then we could compare the seeds for differences after say 20 years or so.

Easy7 · 03-06-2018, 12:40 AM

Selective breeding is by far much faster selection than natural selection and adaptation.

You can get more seeds from outdoors by bigger plants, far cheaper than indoors. Indoors usually will win the numbers game. Smaller plants and more of them for selection.

But outdoors is real. Outside tests plants a lot more. It's also hard to move plants and do selections guerilla. Of course, of you are a fancy rich legal grower options are greater and in your favor.

Be preparred to bust butt and possibly lose a lot.

sourpuss · 03-06-2018, 01:26 AM

I like your name lol. True stoner name..

low_and_slow · 03-06-2018, 01:37 AM

Outdoors takes some effort to have full control of light cycle, so you'll start with strains that likely finish in your growing cycle. Rules out some exotic genetics and keeps one anchored to faster finishers, at least in the northern hemisphere

troutman · 03-06-2018, 01:38 AM

It's easier to do higher numbers outdoors which helps.

For any organism to build a resistance it has to be exposed to a Stressor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stressor

For example: a plant grown indoors won't build any resistance to the cold like an outdoor plant will.

djimb · 03-06-2018, 02:56 PM

I'm an armchair biologist at best, but to my knowledge, different environments will favor different traits. A plant that excels outdoors might be less than exceptional indoors and vice versa.

If you look at threads in which people are running landrace strains that were collected at the source in the himalayas or the tropics, you'll find that many of them have increased intersex rates, spindly unmanageable growth, and unsatisfactory yield when grown indoors under LEDs with synthetic nutes. Outdoors they do much better, showing great resistance to mildew, pests, and low temperatures. These are strains that have been selected to grow well in their home environments, outdoors. Many of the myriad Dutch or North American strains that have been bred and maintained exclusively indoors are sex-stable reliably heavy producers under lights, but are mold magnets outdoors. It's all about the selection pressures present in your environment.

Similarly, growing a short season WLD strain from the Middle East in a tropical climate near the equator is usually a disappointing endeavor, as they'll grow like autos.

Put simply, selecting parental plants that perform well in your environment will guarantee that a large proportion of their offspring will perform as well or better in that same environment, indoors or out

03-03-2018, 07:40 PM	#1
Harry Ballzonya Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: On a big farm outside a little country town Posts: 74	Indoor breeding vs. outdoor breeding I've seen both sides of this argument. I personally prefer outdoor breeding because I do a lot of preservation and breeding for resistance. I can't say that outdoor breeding brings better mould, pest, pm, and frost resistance to the table over indoor, but maybe there's someone out there who has tested both and has the answers I'm looking for. I know that after breeding outdoors for over 20 years, my balls don't get nearly as cold as they did when I first started lmao. Perhaps the same goes for plants eh?
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MJPassion Observer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: uni-verse Posts: 5,584	This sounds like an interesting topic. My experience is limited to either or but not both for the same cross.
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Natural high Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 524	The same plants bred indoors or out will result in identical genetics. That being said, outdoors gives you the opportunity to identify those plants which have the particular attributes you are looking for, such as resistance to pest attack, frost or botrytis etc..
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namydnac Newbie Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 14	It be neat to see one strain open polinated inside and the same thing done outside. Then we could compare the seeds for differences after say 20 years or so.
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Easy7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,575	Selective breeding is by far much faster selection than natural selection and adaptation. You can get more seeds from outdoors by bigger plants, far cheaper than indoors. Indoors usually will win the numbers game. Smaller plants and more of them for selection. But outdoors is real. Outside tests plants a lot more. It's also hard to move plants and do selections guerilla. Of course, of you are a fancy rich legal grower options are greater and in your favor. Be preparred to bust butt and possibly lose a lot. __________________ This is username Easy7, NOT username EasyGoing. They say geniuses pick green
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sourpuss Rainman Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,762	I like your name lol. True stoner name.. __________________
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low_and_slow Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 77	Outdoors takes some effort to have full control of light cycle, so you'll start with strains that likely finish in your growing cycle. Rules out some exotic genetics and keeps one anchored to faster finishers, at least in the northern hemisphere
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troutman Seed Whore Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: In the Fridge Posts: 1,603	It's easier to do higher numbers outdoors which helps. For any organism to build a resistance it has to be exposed to a Stressor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stressor For example: a plant grown indoors won't build any resistance to the cold like an outdoor plant will. __________________ I just died.
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03-06-2018, 02:56 PM	#10
djimb Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 196	I'm an armchair biologist at best, but to my knowledge, different environments will favor different traits. A plant that excels outdoors might be less than exceptional indoors and vice versa. If you look at threads in which people are running landrace strains that were collected at the source in the himalayas or the tropics, you'll find that many of them have increased intersex rates, spindly unmanageable growth, and unsatisfactory yield when grown indoors under LEDs with synthetic nutes. Outdoors they do much better, showing great resistance to mildew, pests, and low temperatures. These are strains that have been selected to grow well in their home environments, outdoors. Many of the myriad Dutch or North American strains that have been bred and maintained exclusively indoors are sex-stable reliably heavy producers under lights, but are mold magnets outdoors. It's all about the selection pressures present in your environment. Similarly, growing a short season WLD strain from the Middle East in a tropical climate near the equator is usually a disappointing endeavor, as they'll grow like autos. Put simply, selecting parental plants that perform well in your environment will guarantee that a large proportion of their offspring will perform as well or better in that same environment, indoors or out
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