[siftedunity]

what bout the ultrasonic misters? can you not just put nutrients in the bottom of a bucket with one of those misters and then fill the root chamber with a nutrient mist?

[belivitez]

Palindrome thanks man!!! Lots of knowdledge do you have here

All knowledge is in nutrition tank? or?

Why you stop growing with aeroponic system?

[Palindrome]

Originally Posted by siftedunity

what bout the ultrasonic misters? can you not just put nutrients in the bottom of a bucket with one of those misters and then fill the root chamber with a nutrient mist?

No

For one, they are made of metal. So over time your low pH nutrient mix, will eat your mister.

Second, they don't really mist anything but water. So the nutrients are not turned into fog, on the other hand they solidifies on the ultrasonic disc.

[Palindrome]

Originally Posted by belivitez

Palindrome thanks man!!! Lots of knowdledge do you have here

All knowledge is in nutrition tank? or?

Why you stop growing with aeroponic system?

I used to know just about everything about true aeroponics, might forgot a bit over the years. But im sure most is still in there, but there is a lot to know.

It's not just about the nutrients and water chemestry, it's everything from room and water temp. Co2 lvls for the plants, oxygen for the roots and room humidity. That is the key elements, you have to be able to control. Then when you blast your mist round 80 micron, into the tube system. The plants can uptain about 25% more, but only if everything is running perfect.

The reason Im not building a aeroponic setup, but a flow table with drippers. Is mainly it's simpler, less hazzel and a much much cheaper. Check the link in my sig, there you can see what im working on now.

[FrozenFire]

The system I built is a DIY low pressure aeroponics system that flows like a recirculating NFT table once the shallow table has some root mass to it. Reasoning behind it vs deep table with hanging roots is that the little bit of water that's retained in table acts as an emergency resivour in the case of a power outage. Performance wise it is smoking the dwc side of the tent. Maintenance wise aero table is much easier to deal with as the resivour (27g tote) is outside my tent and is plumbed into the tent via pvc and hose. I've got a blue lab guardian for a constant monitoring display. The spray bar is made of 1/2" pvc pipe and ez cloner style misting heads. You drill holes with the included drill bit and screw them in. Be sure to flush the pipes after drilling holes as the pvc shavings will clog sprayer heads.

For sheer simplicity of setup, Dwc with air stones in stand alone buckets/totes is king. Each bucket is isolated and easy to manage. I started with this setup and ran it for 2 years. Simple to manage but work increases with bucket count. This setup is great for growing massive indoor plants and scrogging smaller spaces.

Aeroponics table setup I built is a little more labor intensive up front, but it's a Cadillac to operate once built. I add 5 gallons of water to the resivour either every day or every other day when I in bloom, and usually every few days in veg. No plants to pick up and shuffle around like bucket dwc for res maintenance. Downside to aero is either buying a stupid expensive kit style system, or spending time building your own. Low pressure aeroponics is way less expensive than the high pressure aeroponics like palindrome used to run. Not near as complicated either. Oh and one other benefit of aero is the smaller total fluid volume means less nutes wasted with rez changes and res drain at end of grow. Every penny pinched is money earned in my book.

[Drop That Sound]

If you drop your water level low enough to expose half the roots, and pump plenty of air to the stones in your DWC containers, the bubbles coming up to the surface that pop are essentially putting out a finer mist than any true aero system atomizer or mister could anyway. To some extent..

DWC is kind of a hybrid aero system already if you think about it that way. At least on the upper portion of the roots sometimes, unless you have a float valve keeping the level in check.



I can't help but wanna play with every type of hydro system too, so I like to build hybrid setups that can use more than one type and when I want it. My current setup i'm actually setting up to veg with aero/nft/dwc hybrid rails, then pluck them out and transfer to RDWC.




How does this sound for a rig?

You setup a decent RDWC with good sealing lids.. Then you install additional HP or LP spray bars in each container, under the normal water level. Their pump could be in the same RDWC control res, or even better, a separate top off res with automated dosers.

Now, you also setup a flood table (at least roughly half to 3/4 the volume of the total RDWC's capacity) off to the side in the same room, or even a different spot. Put the pump and return line for it in the RDWC res as well.

When the flood tables timer goes off and starts to drain the whole RDWC system down, the Aero spray bars become exposed, kick on and start misting the DWC roots at the same time as the F&D gets a feed.

If setup correctly, you could always be misting with fresh solution, and even add an over flow that runs to another additional DTW drip table, so that your constantly taking in new solution, and expelling old.

The overflow would be somewhere on the flood table of course, paired up with a skimmer, only open towards the end of the flood (when the water is more saturated with waste before it returns to the RDWC system).


DWC/AERO/F&D/DTW... all working together in the same little package

[belivitez]

So better solution is to make dwc? or buy it? Its easyer to control dwc compared with aero?

[Palindrome]

Single bucket DWC is easy to control and maintain, once the plant get's large they can get a little unhandy. But it's not an issue IMO.

If your still wanna go with less DIY, then a Aeroflo is not a bad option.
You can easy convert it, to LP aero or add air stones and run it as a shallow DWC. By raising the drain pipes, you can raise the water lvl in the aeroflo.

I can see they have changed the design a little on the aeroflo, compared to back when I had one. The feeding system was external, with several smaller feed lines going into the plant chambers.

[belivitez]

Thanks for all help guys!! i must to think about it

@palindrome what kind of nozzles can i use? what type of pipes can i use? i talking for aero... hpa

[belivitez]

Right now i speaking with company here in my country.... 1500€ just for highpressure pump 80bars.... 3bars are lpa? price per nozzle 15€.

I dont like chinese product but im looking on alibaba highpressure pump sold for 40$?

Or just go with drain table like you dooing right nos?