[yesum]

Originally Posted by clearheaded

the high will be TOTTALLY different. sativas usually have significantly different highs from hash plant or afgan types. This cultivar although it says this is sativa it is likely more like yunnan ie more of an indica then traditional "sativa" even though can look very sativa like but not like equitorial sativas which is tradionally thought of as "sativa" if that makes sense, dubi can maybe clear that up. But we can imagine similar to lebanese red hash it has more of a sedative effect(perhaps not as much as pure afganicas) rather then a racy super clear terpenoline based sativas.

I assume he based this classification on how it looks ie has narrow leaves but def wont have effects like vietnamese black or ethiopian 'sativas'. and particularly when harvested earlier ie more blonde hash it will have a slightly more up clear high due to high amounts of cbd but not "sativa" per say. Myrcene(ie harsh smoking terps)and high cbN & THC are what give alot of indicas sedative effects. indicas tend to finish sooner and therefore are more prone to having thc turn to CBN sooner aswell. Not sure where the high CBD in indicas making them narcotic comes from but its a myth. perhaps because oldschool hash(as skunkman says they dont select best plants as make hash from feilds so tend to see cbd come up more) can have alot of CBD but also had alot of CBN aswell because of the way its processed. anyway off rant box sorry about that!

if you read the description he answers alot of your questions aswell ie 50 degrees latitude.....

Disagree on all of that. I smoked blonde lebanese and it compares well to the Colombian Gold and Ethiopian I have grown and smoked. There are indica phenos in the Lebanese and other hash plants and also sativa ones.

The red Leb was harvested later than the blonde so more of a sedative high.

[clearheaded]

uhh? actually you said exactly what I had said? yes earlier harvest indica plants will have up sativa like high later harvest ie red will be more of its "true" indica characteristic..

What are you disagreeing with?

[Dr. Purpur]

Red Leb has some crazy good flavors in it. It's not as strong as the Afghani we crossed it to in 1977.

The Afghan was more hard hitting with legs. The Red Leb we used came from the best hash district in Lebanon in 1976. It brought flavor and more of a Sativa high. Red Leb Afghani was one of the top crosses I've ever had. We lost it about 20 years ago.

[Zitz]

Originally Posted by clearheaded

the high will be TOTTALLY different. sativas usually have significantly different highs from hash plant or afgan types. This cultivar although it says this is sativa it is likely more like yunnan ie more of an indica then traditional "sativa" even though can look very sativa like but not like equitorial sativas which is tradionally thought of as "sativa" if that makes sense, dubi can maybe clear that up. But we can imagine similar to lebanese red hash it has more of a sedative effect(perhaps not as much as pure afganicas) rather then a racy super clear terpenoline based sativas.

I had a Lebanese sativa pheno that would hit just like a Thai or other strong tropical sativa, similar to Yesum's description.

The average hashplant harvested early though be it an Affie or Moroccan or Leb, is just as you describe it:

Originally Posted by clearheaded

...when harvested earlier ie more blonde hash it will have a slightly more up clear high due to high amounts of cbd but not "sativa" per say....

[Dr. Purpur]

Back in the day, 70s, they used to soak the Thai sticks in a by product of heroin. It was the liquid that was left over. It gave the body high, that the Thai didn't have. We loved the opiate sticks

[dubi]

Originally Posted by MJPassion

Out of curiosity...
Where, in Lebanon, were the landrace seeds originally collected?

Hi MJPassion,

Seeds were collected by an israeli friend (Grassman) in Israel almost 20 years ago from lebanese weed imported to the country by the bedouins.

Grassman shared different batches of the lebanese seeds between a few spanish growers. Another friend (Ras Pablo) was the first person to explore in detail the line more than 10 years ago. He found interesting and sexually firm P1 lebanese females but they were hard to keep in the mother room in long term due to their semi autoflowering tendencies. He managed to select 3 P1 males from 3 different seed batches and pollinate the P1 females to produce different P2 lebanese seed lines (each on with a different male).

Around 2 years ago Ras Pablo gave me all his P2 lebanese seed lines as the seeds were getting too old. I promised to do my best to preserve and reproduce the line. We grew all the P2 seeds produced by Ras Pablo, around 100 seeds) which 83 germinated, and end up producing 65 healthy seedlings. 40 plants sexed as males and 25 were females. The main difficulties experienced in the P2 breeding stage were the high hermie rates (around 75 %), the semi autoflowering traits of the strain and to be able find the best expressions regarding psycho activity and best floral traits.

Finally 8 sexually firm, vigorous, high yielding, resinous and aromatic males were selected for the reproduction, to open pollinate all the females. 4 sexually firm females standed out due to the quality of their terpenes, yield, resin production and effects.

P3 offspring coming from these 4 best P2 females were grown outdoors last season confirming the hermie tendencies in the strain have been lowered down drastically and that the best floral traits of the line have been fixed, therefore we have finally decided to release the lebanese this year in its P3 generation.

Hope it helps with your doubts.

[dubi]

Originally Posted by george7

yes!! the lebanese!! just popped 20 regs in a mix of 80 % light mix and 20% worm humus..lets see!

Good luck with them george

Please, keep us updated!

[dubi]

Originally Posted by clearheaded

Can you explain "foxtails flowers...which accumulate with successive re-flowerings" ?? goes into semi reveg and then continues to flower, or you purposefully reveg this cultivar? or basically just one of those strains that will continue to flower and never really "ripen"

Thanks for bringing old but new cultivars to the world!

Hi clearheaded,

The lebanese is a pure sativa and although her flowering time is moderate and not so long like a tropical sativa, it still produces a kind of flowering with reflowerings (typical in sativa landraces) producing a new wave of fresh pistils with every new reflowering, which accumulate producing fluffy colas of large size.

Lebanese strains are far to be like those equatorial sativas with eternal flowering, indeed lebanese finishes quite fast outdoors due to its semi autoflowering tendencies.

[dubi]

Originally Posted by Zitz

Hi Dubi, this Leb sounds nice for some outdoor breeding, will these be ok in cold climate around 50N?
I can finish something like Leb27 in most years, and PCK can finish in a good year.
But plants don't die of cold here, only mould issues.

Also, how would you compare the high to something like Orient express or Ethiopian?

Hi Zitz,

Indeed, we consider this lebanese sativa mainly as an outdoor line. It can be easily grown indoors, but it has not been fully adapted to indoor growing yet, it works much better outdoors.

Danish Leb27 has been selected for many many years to be able to finish in a cold climate like Denmark.

But original lebanese strains (like the one we have just released) come from a hot and arid climate in their native land, so they have great resistance against very high temps and drought, but not so much against cold and wet conditions.

The type of effect of the lebanese would be closer to Orient Express due to its clear and pleasant effect with anxiolytic qualities, but honestly i don't like to compare .... lebanese has its own character and a remarkable different chemotype with very high CBD content so i will classify this lebanese sativa in its 'own league'.

[dubi]

Lebanese cannabinoid and terpene profile have been explained in more detail in this post of the 'ACE Seeds' strains - cannabinoid and terpene analysis' thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.ph...9&postcount=44