[socioecologist]

Does anyone have full cannabinoid profile test results on DJ's Blueberry mother plant? Flower, concentrate, etc. would be awesome.

I found this:
mcrlabs.com/dj-shorts-blueberry/

and this:
mcrlabs.com/dj-short-blueberry/

to start us off. I have no idea if those results are from the real mother plant or not, but I suspect that they are. I'm looking for other analytical results, whether yours or crowd-sourced from labs that make data public, to test a hypothesis re: the underlying minor cannabinoid chemotype of Blueberry's mom.

[dank.frank]

well, what is your hypothesis then?



dank.Frank

[socioecologist]

Thread title. The hypothesis is that DJ's Blueberry mom contains particular "minor" cannabinoids. I'm looking for data to confirm / reject that notion.

I don't have that plant at my disposal right now (lost it twice before legalization), so must ask others. Check out the links to some publicly available test results above, especially the concentrate.

[dank.frank]

I wasn't sure if you had a specific terpene or cannabinoid you were expecting to find, as per your applied definition of "minor".

A hypothesis, is typically based on a general observation, and attempts to provide a understanding and rational to that happening, by creating a specific set of limitations that reduce variables to make data aggregation more possible.

What particular experience or event, gave you the idea, that DJ Blueberry original mother plant, holds these "minor" cannabionoids, specifically, as opposed to offspring derived from this plant? Or are you suggesting the entire line?

Also curious, how test results from varied growers and thus environmental conditions, ultimately hold much relevancy. Your data is skewed because you have no "control" on which to define what is or is not the result of variation due to environmental influences.

I guess when you use hypothesis as a terminology - I begin to think of the question in a different scope of discussion. Much the same way legal terminology varies from the vernacular usage of a word.

Really, all you are saying, is you would like people to post and compare the test results from DJ Blueberry so you can see their cannabinoid profile, correct?



dank.Frank

[dank.frank]

Another thing to consider when looking at test results is when things are harvested. CBC would be higher in samples taken earlier, before it had been converted into CBD or THC.

Point being, there are many complex variables to consider when looking at a large set of data with uncontrolled variables. You can still create a meta-analysis of it, but your conclusions may not truly hold validity.



dank.Frank

[socioecologist]

Originally Posted by dank.frank

A hypothesis, is typically based on a general observation, and attempts to provide a understanding and rational to that happening, by creating a specific set of limitations that reduce variables to make data aggregation more possible.

Yup--I have a hypothesis based on some work I have done (other varieties not connected to Blueberry) and validated with analytics and human consumption. I was a bit too opaque with my terminology to begin with, sorry. I do know better, but it was intentionally obfuscatory to a certain degree. If I'm right about my hunch, I'll spill the beans--literally and figuratively--soon enough.

Originally Posted by dank.frank

Another thing to consider when looking at test results is when things are harvested. CBC would be higher in samples taken earlier, before it had been converted into CBD or THC.

Did you mean CBG instead of CBC? CBG is the precursor to CBD and THC (and CBC). CBC does appear in higher concentrations in juvenile samples than fully mature leaves, but, outside of that compound, we haven't seen other cannabinoids (THC, CBD, CBG) change their relative proportion of the total fraction. CBG--in all of our testing--has never been higher in early samples. We run several thousand potency tests per year, depending on development projects in the pipeline. Pretty sure that's just an old grower tale, but would love to see confirmatory results demonstrating otherwise.

Originally Posted by dank.frank

Also curious, how test results from varied growers and thus environmental conditions, ultimately hold much relevancy.

Chemotype is chemotype when it comes to the commonly tested cannabinoids (CBC excluded). Total cannabinoid content obviously varies with environment, but proportions do not.

Originally Posted by dank.frank

Really, all you are saying, is you would like people to post and compare the test results from DJ Blueberry so you can see their cannabinoid profile, correct?

Nailed it. Post away. Test results of DJ's Blueberry mother. I provided the first two, would love to see others. I consider this a community research project in the spirit of other threads celebrating DJ's work over the years.

[dank.frank]

Originally Posted by socioecologist

Did you mean CBG instead of CBC? CBG is the precursor to CBD and THC (and CBC). CBC does appear in higher concentrations in juvenile samples than fully mature leaves

Chemotype is chemotype when it comes to the commonly tested cannabinoids (CBC excluded). Total cannabinoid content obviously varies with environment, but proportions do not.

Nailed it. Post away. Test results of DJ's Blueberry mother.

I'm not sure what happened. Some where in the typing / editing of that post I lost a sentence or something. There was a statement about CBC being similar to THC/CBD in that it's precursor is CBG, and thus like the others, different maturities will affect levels.

I'm not going to agree that proportions of cannabinoids do not vary with environment. Not having access to an analytical system to test MY OWN product, say indoor vs outdoor of the same clone in the same soil system, which all logical rational says there will be a difference in the expression of cannabinoids. Not just in sheer volume, but also in relationship to one another.

I'll share data later this year on blueberry lines. But it won't be DJ's mother plant. That is not something I have access to. HOWEVER, there are many threads dedicated to his lines, with test results littered through out. It'd be worth your time to dig though them and collect the data you are seeking.



dank.Frank

[dank.frank]

I didn't realize you also had a large hemp thread going.

I was going to suggest, as a pretext to my posts, that DJ Short's lines are different from other cannabis, in that he did not select primarily for THC, but rather for his desired overall effect. This resulted in more landrace/hemp (for a lack of a better terminology, to steal from Phylos) genes remaining in his selection pool as opposed to others who selected for sheer psychoactive potency.

It would seem now after viewing your other thread briefly, you are looking for high CBG levels.

I do know, in lines I've worked containing certain purple / blueberry combinations, plants with oddly high levels of beta-caryophyllene surface. Come to find out people love these plants as they are super relaxing and anti-anxiety / stress relievers. Something I seek from my medicine.

I think in my attempt to understand why I like blueberry so much, or other strains for that matter, there is very little correlation in cannabinoid profiles in my "top 5". I do find there to be similarities in terpenoid profiles.

In other words, I think the greatest value exists in understanding the synergistic effect of the entire plant as opposed to isolates, but that is also not to suggest they are mutually exclusive goals.



dank.Frank

[socioecologist]

Originally Posted by dank.frank

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It would seem now after viewing your other thread briefly, you are looking for high CBG levels.

Not looking for high CBG levels; we're able to create new type IV plants pretty quickly now.

Originally Posted by dank.frank

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I do know, in lines I've worked containing certain purple / blueberry combinations, plants with oddly high levels of beta-caryophyllene surface.

Very cool, thanks for sharing. Do you have test results to demonstrate that? I really want to steer away from opinions and just have some test results posted re: DJ's Blueberry mom...

[dank.frank]

I'll message you rather than clutter the thread with results that are not directly related to what you are seeking.



dank.Frank