[Only Ornamental]

Sometimes, your nose is better than a machine. Famous 'scent companies' such as Firmenich and Givaudan have a GC-Snif which is a common GC ending in a valve in front of a lab technicians nose and, well, that person acts as detector, sniffs what comes out and writes down how each peak smells . Peak intensity doesn't necessarily correlate with scent intensity and a machine can't tell flavours...

[Thcvhunter]

Asking and exploring these questionns will help you on your way:

Why cant a plant thats completely dry continue the curing process

What is actually being offgassed during curing.
What enzymes and bacteria do these processes.

Who does organic pot cure "better" and stay fresher for longer ;-)

How have tribes cured their pot asrobically.
How have tribes cured their pot anaerobically.

With the monetizing of pot, and more importantly, the monetizing of processes, I dont give people the answers but still gladly lead them along their journey.

Also, senescence and curing are different things/processes, though somewhat related.

[G.O. Joe]

Would anyone buy yellow much less brown pot since 1984?

[Thcvhunter]

Originally Posted by G.O. Joe

Would anyone buy yellow much less brown pot since 1984?

Absolutely. When done right, its the best, most powerful pot in the world.
Now, this is proper curing, not talking about moldy schwag

[coldcanna]

Originally Posted by G.O. Joe

Would anyone buy yellow much less brown pot since 1984?

A green bud indicates there is still plenty of chlorophyll. Think of leaves in autumn. When the caretenoids have fully degraded they turn yellow/brown. For that matter, fully cured tobacco is a golden brown color.

To your point, the science doesn't mean people will buy it because of the status quo being in their head....

[Betterhaff]

I remember a batch of Mexican we got in the mid seventies that was golden, the whole lot. Not a single other color, no browns, no reds, no purples, no green, just bright gold. Almost looked fake but was very, very good. Supposedly it was Acapulco Gold but probably from Oaxaca (marketing).

Carotinoids are responsible for the yellow and orange colors present but are masked by chlorophyll, as chlorophyll degrades, carotinoids display (referencing color change in leaves). Anthocyanins, which are the reds, blues, and purples are a different story.

[Only Ornamental]

Don't forget common flavonoids which are often present at higher concentrations than carotenoids and are usually of a whitish, yellow (hence their name) or orange colour whereas carotenoids may also be red. BTW anthocyanidins are a sub-class of flavonoids.

[Betterhaff]

That is correct, anthocyanins are a class of flavinoids, although anthocyanins continue or tend to be produced during senescence as opposed to carotinoids that are already there and not being produced anymore.

[coldcanna]

Correct me if I'm wrong but being that there are not many red, blues, purples in cannabis wouldnt that indicate a low amount of anthocyanins ?

[Betterhaff]

Probably more so in WLD types. Mustafunk just posted these in a landrace indica thread. Check out the images.

Originally Posted by Mustafunk

Potent, landrace and commercial don't mix well in the same sentence. Expect to spend a few years refining any landarce before doing any serious breeding with it. Otherwise, try to find maybe some Deep Chunk, X18 or something like that and you have most of the work done already by others. They are great representations of classic hashplants.


I usually avoid dramas but people needs to know what's up. USC went down the road after JGL retired from growing/breeding/smoking and left the company... Cristalin took over the company, but now they are mostly selling the genetics JGL creaed plus some stolen works from other people without their blessings.

Black Afghani came from a group of Russian landrace enthusiasts who used to hang around the Vibes Collective and Cannabiogen's forum time ago. The russians used sell their Black Kandahar and some other seeds at their own forum.

Since the first minute I've seen USC's pictures I knew I've seen that line before. I guess after so many years meeting people and discovering lines within the landrace/breeding scene it really pays off because to be honest, rare lines don't appear suddenly from nothing. Often they have been documented before.

Pics Cristalin uploaded:

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Original pictures by Astronet and the Russian crew, the original name is Black Kandahar, not Black Afghani:

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Pics from a newer thread where Siamon speaks about the Black Kandahar from The Russian Crew on Cannabiogen's forum and shows some images:

https://www.cannabiogen.com/club/vie...01e79157e2b860



Then that Uzbekistan Pink Malabar is simply the so called Uzbeka line that Alex La Mano Negra from Spain used to have, Cristalin obtained the line after another Spanish member did a reproduction back then at the Vibes Collective and he's now just selling all those like if he was the one who spent years working on those. Anyway I don't think it's a real Uzbeki though, unfortunately LMN has always been quite secretive with his recipes and loved good histories, so often he would "exaggerate" lineages. But the truth and what really matters is that LMN was a talented breeder/grower and he never wanted his lines to be sold and exploited commercially, that's why he was giving so many seeds out, too bad he's no longer between us to stand up... such a con move IMO and as far as I know there are currently some others cashing on his genetics too .

So sad about USC, I used to have a great relationship with them... everything went down the road since their partnership with Tropical Seed Company cons, then all this. JGL worked his ass off to build up his reputation on the scene and in order to put his works and also USC on the map and now Cristalin is ruining everything because of his desperation to sell seeds and make some money from Cannabis, even if they aren't his own creations. I told JGL to be careful with his decissions and at the end he gave me the reason, it was just too much for him and gave up on the industry.

We need more humble and honest people on the scene, not fake breeders cashing on other people's legacy and doing anything for the money. We shouldn't be supporting and contributing to this kind of practices... so tired of watching other people cashing on other's legacy with absolute disrespect and no consequences. There is always a good option or better way to do things. Customer should be more responsible as well but many people only wants the product, they don't care what's behind it.

Funny thing is that then when you keep your stuff close to your chest to avoid this kind of stuff then you are called a hoarder, yet when you are kind, trustful and generous and give genetics out so others can enjoy too you are just simply stabbed in your back as the minimum chance of making some easy money appears. And then we wonder how often the most talented breeders or growers just dissapear from the scene, tired or dissapointed after having a dream on getting a living with something they used to love.



Damn...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=350365