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Originally Posted by Gry

A minimum wage may seem like bullshit to some, but to the average working person it represents a rung on a wage scale in a labor force they will be a part of all their lives.

It has meaning, and all labor is worthy of respect.

The average working person does not make min wage.

"All of their lives" ? Min wage jobs are a "starting point" not an "ending point"

All labor is indeed worthy of respect...especially considering there are over 20 states that pay more if you are on welfare/bennies vs. min wage. However, people that lift themselves up from the bottom, deserve more respect....and more money.

Keep on demanding an artificial min wage and watch those jobs disappear. It's already happening.

[Lester Beans]

Working 40 hours for minimum wage, I can't understand how someone can survive. Apartment, car, insurance, heat, water, electric, how the hell does that work out??

In my area a friend just found an apartment, 750$ a month. He works for min wage in a factory. He doesn't drink or do drugs. He is always borrowing gas money from me. He's been looking for a better job but has had no luck. I feel bad for him. He has to work one hour just to cover the gas to get there each day. I just can't imagine. Wages definitely have not kept up with inflation.

[Gry]

There is no such thing as a free market and the past 40 years has been a stunning tribute to trickle down economics.

What has happened to the minimum wage is an example.
In 1972 an hour of minimum wage work would buy 4.28 gallons of gas.
Where in America has that improved ?

[Gry]

Free markets are a fabrication that corporations dearly love as it enables them to hide the scale of welfare which they receive.

In truth no one has ever received more largess than the well heeled corporate.

A wage scale is a reality most working people deal with all their lives.

They care about a fair exchange.

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Originally Posted by Lester Beans

Working 40 hours for minimum wage, I can't understand how someone can survive. Apartment, car, insurance, heat, water, electric, how the hell does that work out??

In my area a friend just found an apartment, 750$ a month. He works for min wage in a factory. He doesn't drink or do drugs. He is always borrowing gas money from me. He's been looking for a better job but has had no luck. I feel bad for him. He has to work one hour just to cover the gas to get there each day. I just can't imagine. Wages definitely have not kept up with inflation.

When I was young with a new family...I had to work 3 jobs. One full time {above min wage} and 2 liquor stores at night {min wage}. Still just scrapped by. Went back to school, got a career and I have never looked back. I'm sure if your friend works hard he will find his own path to the American dream.


I just don't get how a person making pizzas, or any low skilled job, thinks they deserve more money then the work is worth.

[vta]

Alright Gry...so what is a fair min wage? Is it $15, is it $50? Please tell us how much an employer should pay....Obviously it should be what the labor is actually worth.

I pay $18 and hour for skilled labor. That is what I offer and I have no problem getting qualified persons. I have 2 guys I pay $25 an hour and $30 to another. Their pay reflects the worth of their labor.

[Weird]

what we overspend on military expenditures we could educate and put those to work who have the capacity and care for those who don't

instead we pony up money for the gov't to pilfer through the military by inflated costs to insiders or misuse of the military for insider agenda

and when it comes to talking about it we blame the poor minorities suffering because in america, the land of equal opportunity, people are programmed to think failure is a matter of personal choice and not a deficiency in our societal norms

[Gry]

I am no labor statistician, but a quick back of the envelope calculation tells me that it has sure not kept up with inflation.
Really do not think kids or anyone else who happens to be working minimum wage deserves less than what we got as kids.
Things were supposed to get better with the passage of time.

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Originally Posted by Weird

what we overspend on military expenditures we could educate and put those to work who have the capacity and care for those who don't

I agree...not only the military but GAO discovered over $200 billion in gov waste and duplicate programs.

Use that money to educate...to bring people up. Don't force private companies to pay people a "living wage" for a job that doesn't merit such reward.

Originally Posted by Weird

and when it comes to talking about it we blame the poor minorities suffering because in america, the land of equal opportunity, people are programmed to think failure is a matter of personal choice and not a deficiency in our societal norms

People that fail in life do so for many reasons. Usually it starts with shitty parents...for some, drugs...but I believe most are just under educated.

People with an education equal to or less of a High School student should not expect to have a new car...a house...or an iPhone X. You want those things...bring yourself up !

[Gry]

Hard work, education, and integrity are the most valuable assets I have ever seen.