[Raw710]

Originally Posted by jidoka

Lot of advise on damn few facts. Beware of that shit

How bout a pic

I will get a few tomorrow my lights are out atm. What other facts should I include?

[Speed of green]

Media source & brand, new or reused?

water source and e.c if tap or well

feed e.c & ph

runoff e.c and PH

temps

humidity

pens recently calibrated?

it sounds like you have had a few issues going on, probably best to get some base information and work backwards through all the variables.

Pictures are great too

[Absolem]

IMO majority of the root problems associated with coco coir happen from transplanting wrong. When you buy a bag of canna coco it comes out of the bag very fluffy. This is how the coco coir should look when you put it in the new container when transplanting. Once the container is full don't bounce the container to compact the coco or shake the container to make the coco settle. If a person does this it takes away the air spaces in the coir and limits the amount of oxygen to the roots. Once the coco coir becomes to compacted the plants roots will suffer from a lack of oxygen the entire grow. Not much one can do at this point.

Regarding the OG Biowar the latest tests I've seen done on it from the Oregon Department of Agriculture show very little spore count in the product.

[Raw710]

Originally Posted by Speed of green

Media source & brand, new or reused?

water source and e.c if tap or well

feed e.c & ph

runoff e.c and PH

temps

humidity

pens recently calibrated?


it sounds like you have had a few issues going on, probably best to get some base information and work backwards through all the variables.

Pictures are great too

My media source is coco brand name canna it is new never reuse

Water source is RO. It comes out 0 ppm

I feed 700 ppm 1.3 ec

My temp for veg is 78 f humidity is 60%

I use a pen and blue lab guardian and both have been calibrated recently

[Raw710]

Originally Posted by Absolem

IMO majority of the root problems associated with coco coir happen from transplanting wrong. When you buy a bag of canna coco it comes out of the bag very fluffy. This is how the coco coir should look when you put it in the new container when transplanting. Once the container is full don't bounce the container to compact the coco or shake the container to make the coco settle. If a person does this it takes away the air spaces in the coir and limits the amount of oxygen to the roots. Once the coco coir becomes to compacted the plants roots will suffer from a lack of oxygen the entire grow. Not much one can do at this point.

Regarding the OG Biowar the latest tests I've seen done on it from the Oregon Department of Agriculture show very little spore count in the product.

Yes I agree with both of your answers. I agree the coco can not been compacted or else they will not get the amount of o2 needed but how do you not get them compacted after the watering because the water will make everything settle.

Secondly I agree 100% about the OGBIOWAR I used this stuff about a year ago or maybe a little longer and it solved my problems like a dream and made my roots blow up crazy but recently the past few months it really hasn’t done anything except I believe cause problems 1 being the springtails like I mentioned earlier the OGBIOWAR puts fungi in the medium to counteract the pests in soil but fungi is what feeds the springtails from my research. Also I don’t believe that it is killing really any of the fungus larvae in the medium. I recently read a post that they role the spore count down also and there wasn’t any of the fungi to kill the root aphids which is Beauveria bassiana and Metarhizium anisopliae. Which if that stuff isn’t in there what else isn’t in there and how much is the spore count off seems like a high priced talc. Before when I first used it I was a 1000% percent behind cap and his work. There was no other reason to seek another product in my eyes.

[Absolem]

Originally Posted by Raw710

Yes I agree with both of your answers. I agree the coco can not been compacted or else they will not get the amount of o2 needed but how do you not get them compacted after the watering because the water will make everything settle.

Secondly I agree 100% about the OGBIOWAR I used this stuff about a year ago or maybe a little longer and it solved my problems like a dream and made my roots blow up crazy but recently the past few months it really hasn’t done anything except I believe cause problems 1 being the springtails like I mentioned earlier the OGBIOWAR puts fungi in the medium to counteract the pests in soil but fungi is what feeds the springtails from my research. Also I don’t believe that it is killing really any of the fungus larvae in the medium. I recently read a post that they role the spore count down also and there wasn’t any of the fungi to kill the root aphids which is Beauveria bassiana and Metarhizium anisopliae. Which if that stuff isn’t in there what else isn’t in there and how much is the spore count off seems like a high priced talc. Before when I first used it I was a 1000% percent behind cap and his work. There was no other reason to seek another product in my eyes.

Watering will settle the coco to the appropriate density. Just a side note it's best to transplant when the coco coir is less than or around 50% saturation or the coir can compact to much from all the water weight dumping it into the new container.

Springtails.........So I had fungus gnats and used BTI dunks. I saw less flyers but when I looked at the the roots I kept seeing all these damn fungus gnat larvae. So I increased the dose saw less flyers but holy balls the damn fungus gnat larvae seemed to increase. Anyway they weren't gnat larvae they were springtails. Haha. You are right about springtails feasting on fungi in OGBIOWAR or BTI dunks. I'm not a fan of springtails. Once they eat up their food source they eat roots next.

The spores Cap deals in are a bitch. The stuff goes bad within 18 months. It's hard for a small operation like Cap to buy enough spores, mix and package them up and rid your merch within such a small amount of time before the product goes bad.

Cheers

[Raw710]

Originally Posted by Absolem

Watering will settle the coco to the appropriate density. Just a side note it's best to transplant when the coco coir is less than or around 50% saturation or the coir can compact to much from all the water weight dumping it into the new container.

Springtails.........So I had fungus gnats one time and used BTI dunks. I saw less flyers but when I looked at the the roots I kept seeing all these damn fungus gnat larvae. So I increased the dose saw less flyers but holy balls the damn fungus gnat larvae seemed to increase. Anyway they weren't gnat larvae they were springtails. Haha. You are right about springtails feasting on fungi in OGBIOWAR or BTI dunks. I'm not a fan of springtails. Once they eat up their food source they eat roots next.

The spores Cap deals in are a bitch. The stuff goes bad within 18 months. It's hard for a small operation like Cap to buy enough spores, mix and package them up and rid your merch within such a small amount of time before the product goes bad.

Cheers

Yea my understanding the springtails eat the roothairs so it slows down the uptake of nutrients. What do you think the best way to go about benifiecials and what do you think about helping the root infection with bleach?

[Kesey]

Originally Posted by Absolem

Watering will settle the coco to the appropriate density. Just a side note it's best to transplant when the coco coir is less than or around 50% saturation or the coir can compact to much from all the water weight dumping it into the new container.

Springtails.........So I had fungus gnats and used BTI dunks. I saw less flyers but when I looked at the the roots I kept seeing all these damn fungus gnat larvae. So I increased the dose saw less flyers but holy balls the damn fungus gnat larvae seemed to increase. Anyway they weren't gnat larvae they were springtails. Haha. You are right about springtails feasting on fungi in OGBIOWAR or BTI dunks. I'm not a fan of springtails. Once they eat up their food source they eat roots next.

The spores Cap deals in are a bitch. The stuff goes bad within 18 months. It's hard for a small operation like Cap to buy enough spores, mix and package them up and rid your merch within such a small amount of time before the product goes bad.

Cheers

Bacillus Thurengesis are not fungal hyphae, lol.

[Kesey]

Azadirachtin and diatamaceous earth will clear up the springtails in no time. Best way to prevent all this is keep your rooms clean, meaning don't leave puddles of water in your rooms, and inspect your coco before putting it in a pot.

[Desert Hydro]

pics of the stalled and dying clones. there was a shit ton of these that had to be killed off because they stalled for so long but i was able to save the few that i needed to make sure i had mothers.

i dont think the bleach will help with the bugs but who knows. im not advising it for that. just clean white roots and then start fresh with beneficials. h202 is good too but the 35% is pretty pricey and you use quite a bit per gal every 4-5 days.