[h.h.]

Originally Posted by Arnold.

It is indeed not organic.
But then, one has to ask himself, if he accepts the reasoning behind all the omri listed organics and the ones that aren't omri listed.

You could choose to accept their definition of organic or you could make a stricter or less strict definition yourself.

Words have no meaning.

OMRI is a minimum standard of protection for the consumer.
Agree or disagree with the definition, the word "organic" has a definite meaning.
It is or it ain't is.

[~star~crash~]

Originally Posted by jidoka

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[Arnold.]

I don't agree with that.

For example what the USA or Europe defines as organic is different. Which of the two is the 'real' organic in your view? Standards vary world wide.

Of course if you want to market or produce a product within a country, you should accept their minimum rules of their definition of organic. Otherwise you are not allowed to use the term organic or you can not use certain labels for example.

I can see why one would exclude slaughter house residues from his standards of organic. I can also see why one would include some mined inputs or atmospheric derived N.

The omri list is changing in time, thus the omri definition is changing as well.

[h.h.]

I'm not in Europe.

[toxic hippie]

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the guy who started nftg used to work at/for roots organics/aurora?

[~star~crash~]

hey Hippie ^^^ ...thank you ..u know what for ...peace

[growingcrazy]

Star, What Jidoka is trying to get at... is that a superior product can be made by purchasing the powders that go into making all of the liquid's like those sold by Nectar.

You can find soluble OMRI (regardless of opinion) listed fertilizers and mix your own bottles for pennies on the dollar. Someone like you that doesn't plan on quitting any time soon, are the ones best suited to mixing their own...

Less plastic, no middle man. Buying water is never economical.

[KIS]

Really it’s the NOP that sets the standard not OMRI. But keep in mind that some things are allowed like phosphoric acid to stabilize fish hydrolysate that could be a concern to some people depending on their own definition.

You can also use sulfates if your soil shows a deficiency with a soil test. So the standard needs to be properly understood by growers.

And bottled nutrient companies and pesticide companies have already shown they are willing to abuse the system (get OMRI approved then add illegal ingredients). Azamax is th latest but everyone remembers Guardian mite spray or Mighty Wash.

Much better in my opinion to source the raw amendments and avoid this concern altogether. Just takes a little bit of research but all the information is there.

At the very least research the company you’re buying from...

[h.h.]

Originally Posted by KIS

Really it’s the NOP that sets the standard not OMRI. But keep in mind that some things are allowed like phosphoric acid to stabilize fish hydrolysate that could be a concern to some people depending on their own definition.

You can also use sulfates if your soil shows a deficiency with a soil test. So the standard needs to be properly understood by growers.

And bottled nutrient companies and pesticide companies have already shown they are willing to abuse the system (get OMRI approved then add illegal ingredients). Azamax is th latest but everyone remembers Guardian mite spray or Mighty Wash.

Much better in my opinion to source the raw amendments and avoid this concern altogether. Just takes a little bit of research but all the information is there.

At the very least research the company you’re buying from...

I stand corrected on the agency.
Still it is a minimum set of standards defining the term "organic". You can do better, but you can't go lower and claim to be organic.
That's not to say exceptions have not been made and that rules haven't been broken.

[~star~crash~]

Originally Posted by growingcrazy

Star, What Jidoka is trying to get at... is that a superior product can be made by purchasing the powders that go into making all of the liquid's like those sold by Nectar.

You can find soluble OMRI (regardless of opinion) listed fertilizers and mix your own bottles for pennies on the dollar. Someone like you that doesn't plan on quitting any time soon, are the ones best suited to mixing their own...

Less plastic, no middle man. Buying water is never economical.

he emanates negativity ...?

you can be passionate without being negative