[PDX Dopesmoker]

The main potential pro is large scale medical research so that we can finally take full advantage. There are a lot of desperate folks gambling on RSO or something similar when they got few other options and all options suck. I'd rather that a little bit more is known for sure before I'm in those shoes, I might even never get to those shoes if we're lucky and pot really does have potential as a cancer cure-all.
Some shit like that would be the ultimate hippie vindication. If pot really did cure cancer then we could say anything and they'd have to buy it if it were true or not. Psilocibin probably does cure migraines but there would be no hurt in making up stories about everything on the schedule 1 list and freeing all the drugs. Angel dust might be good for a sprained ankle or maybe not, ride the boat and find out for yourself.

Originally Posted by JustSumTomatoes

I guess when it comes to legalization everyone has a different idea of what it is or what it should be. Some feel if they can have a small home grow and possess a personal amount of bud it's legal. Others don't consider it legal unless there are absolutely no restrictions...

This is where I see a dilemma within the legalization movement. Most of us agree it should be legal but can't agree what legal is or where we should go with it. How many of you in a prohibition state would gladly accept a law that would allow up to an ounce or two in possession and a home grow with no more than 6 flowering plants? Personally, I'd take it in a heartbeat. It would be such a relief not having to always be on the lookout just to get relief from nightly pain and insomnia. Not to mention, I wouldn't have to hear people I know piss and moan about how pot is an illegal drug.

I feel all the pros greatly outweigh the cons, at least on a personal level. As for the concern about big companies and govt. taking over I really have no worries. Supply and demand will sort all that out. Good luck getting stoners to buy corporate weed vs what mom and pops grow. The biggest difference today compared to the past has been that people are now becoming much more educated about pot compared to yesteryear. Legalization, even on a small scale, has opened many eyes to the bullshit known as reefer madness and prohibition.

That's the problem! Your post like a lot of others in the past flat out exposes who you all are.

Who in the hell are all of you people to tell me what to do in life? It's already long over due as is. It's salt in a wound now.
What gives men (this goes for everyone) like you, the right to determine and over rule men like me? Tell me how many plants I should grow and tell me if I can sell my crop off or not. I say fuck off to all of you, just about every single last one of you, undeserving.

Fact is, that none of you have the right to tell me but you do it anyway just like the cops and their fake drug war careers. They are all flat out assholes and humanity needs to be taught a serious lesson is the bottom line.

Like an electrical hemp car in the 1940's, none of you will get nothing.

[angelgoob]

gotta start somewhere.

I've been calling politicans.

Wot should I say?

[mushroombrew]

Originally Posted by PDX Dopesmoker

The main potential pro is large scale medical research so that we can finally take full advantage. There are a lot of desperate folks gambling on RSO or something similar when they got few other options and all options suck. I'd rather that a little bit more is known for sure before I'm in those shoes, I might even never get to those shoes if we're lucky and pot really does have potential as a cancer cure-all.
Some shit like that would be the ultimate hippie vindication. If pot really did cure cancer then we could say anything and they'd have to buy it if it were true or not. Psilocibin probably does cure migraines but there would be no hurt in making up stories about everything on the schedule 1 list and freeing all the drugs. Angel dust might be good for a sprained ankle or maybe not, ride the boat and find out for yourself.

I have been doing research on cannabinoids and their effect on tumor cells.

Like you said it's on the schedule so human trials are impossible in the states... I am looking to Europe/Israel.

You got to realize who we are up against. Big pharma is $515B annually in the US. That's half of the planets drug profit?!!

Cancer treatment will reach $50B per year in 2020. Are they curing cancer? No way. They would be out of business. Far more likely to give us cancer. FDA? haha! They protect consumers right? Sure.

The Cannabis industry is tiny in comparison.

Oh and did you know they influence all networks? Pharma provides 70% of TV network advertising funds. So the networks never air stories of drugs making people sick. Unless it happens to be Marijuana related lol.

They are in all the politicians pockets.

They are in control of the FDA.

As such I highly doubt it will ever be descheduled. And if it does the FDA will put more red tape than you thought existed on Cannabis.

So only the very biggest players(Pharma, Phillip Morris, Monsanto, Syngenta) can afford to operate. Philip M. spent $20M on CBD research in 2016. They are getting into the game. You will see.

Cannabis is NOT legal. It is regulated. Big difference gents.

And the whole not going to jail thing? Haha you sure about that guys?

Many "Legal" guys can't sell their product. I see one per week getting clipped doing BM moves.

Cali wants to release loads of prisoners. Great. Do you realize there are no halfway houses available. People already stay in past their release date; as there is no room to process them back into the society. What a mess.

As for PCP. Your ankle will feel fine. You will be able to walk perfect. But the hallucinations...not so much.

[soil margin]

Originally Posted by angelgoob

gotta start somewhere.

I've been calling politicans.

Wot should I say?

I know what I'm going to say is that there is something fundamentally corrupt, wrong, etc. with voters legalizing something, yet those voters have absolutely no say in writing the laws. The regulations get decided by special interest groups, corporations, corrupt govt officials and there is absolutely zero input from real voters and taxpayers.

All of the laws were seeing so far are anti small business, anti home grower, anti consumer. It's very clear who is getting their interests represented and it's definitely not people like myself.

[mushroombrew]

Originally Posted by soil margin

I know what I'm going to say is that there is something fundamentally corrupt, wrong, etc. with voters legalizing something, yet those voters have absolutely no say in writing the laws. The regulations get decided by special interest groups, corporations, corrupt govt officials and there is absolutely zero input from real voters and taxpayers.

All of the laws were seeing so far are anti small business, anti home grower, anti consumer. It's very clear who is getting their interests represented and it's definitely not people like myself.

Well said!

[angelgoob]

Called the White House today and left a message to the President's office.

One sentence.

"There are alcohol people, and there are cannabis people, now can we enjoy the freedom they have?"

The lady on the phone said it was very well-spoken!

[JustSumTomatoes]

Originally Posted by We Wait

That's the problem! Your post like a lot of others in the past flat out exposes who you all are.

Who in the hell are all of you people to tell me what to do in life? It's already long over due as is. It's salt in a wound now.
What gives men (this goes for everyone) like you, the right to determine and over rule men like me? Tell me how many plants I should grow and tell me if I can sell my crop off or not. I say fuck off to all of you, just about every single last one of you, undeserving.

Fact is, that none of you have the right to tell me but you do it anyway just like the cops and their fake drug war careers. They are all flat out assholes and humanity needs to be taught a serious lesson is the bottom line.

Like an electrical hemp car in the 1940's, none of you will get nothing.

Hey, I agree that it is not my place to put rules and regulations upon anyone and by all means live life the way you feel fit as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of others. If you want to grow a field of plants and sell every single one than go for it.

I know not everyone agrees, and that's the point I'm trying to make, that people who use/grow cannabis are not all on the same page in terms of where cannabis law should stand in the future. Pro-drug war politicians, DEA and most police can all agree where they stand on the issue and will propose legislation or vote accordingly.

If you think cannabis should remain illegal or it should be completely legal with no restrictions than more power to you. Cannabis legalization is a not a new idea at all but it being put into law certainly is. To go from a prohibition state to one with absolutely no restrictions is not going to happen just yet. Believe me, I would love to have absolute freedom more than anyone and would gladly support it. As much as I agree with you that police and other people should have no say in what I do, they very much affect what I do. Being able to even have a little bit of freedom is the difference between being able to grow for my needs stress and risk free or being a criminal.

I know there are many with an all or nothing mentality but it is equally frustrating for me to know that someone would turn away a law that would give me and others that freedom simply because it's not legal enough for their tastes. What's the alternative? Continue prohibition and keep putting people behind bars? I know not all will agree, but some freedom is better than none and it opens the door for more freedom in the future. Just look at what is happening because two states said screw the federal govt. and went legal. Legalization is now a very realistic dream for other states with the potential for the Federal govt. in the U.S. to have to change it's policies to accommodate. This change would open the door for more countries to go legal. Not to mention the overall public opinion on pot has softened since states have gone medical or legal which is a game changer in itself.

A question to all of you in the green states, would you rather go back to how it was before or keep what you have now and try to move forward?

I know some will say if there are restrictions than it's not even legal, But cannabis has psychoactive properties and no drug or alcohol is without regulation. The difference is you wouldn't be a criminal to have or use it.

Feel free to disagree with or criticize my opinion.

[St. Phatty]

Originally Posted by angelgoob

gotta start somewhere.

I've been calling politicans.

Wot should I say?

ask them to send me the organic horse manure that psychologist in LA (Robby Strong) sent to Greedy Asshole of the Treasury, Steve Mnuchin, at his Bel Air AND Beverly Hills homes.

I wonder what Mnuchin's gardeners think about the horse manure. "Don't throw it away, that stuff's good !"

[soil margin]

Originally Posted by angelgoob

"There are alcohol people, and there are cannabis people, now can we enjoy the freedom they have?"

Great point. Where I live there are breweries and bars on pretty much every block, which doesn't seem to bother a soul. Yet if I want to try and open a growroom or dispensary, the attitude changes to: "WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

The treatment of cannabis needs to be equitable with any other regulated substance like alcohol, tobacco, etc. or else it's not really legal in my opinion. The word "legal" inherently implies freedom which cannabis clearly doesn't have under most of these states laws.