[Douglas.Curtis]

I assure you, it's not anxiety attacks. OD'ing from edibles can cause vomiting, which is not CHS. You'll know when you have CHS, just remember to slip into a hot bath/shower to ease the pain.

[therevverend]

First time I've heard of this, been smoking and around smokers for a long time. I've had/seen people get the spins and vomit from smoking especially when drinking but I've never seen screamers. When I was in college my friends' stoner house was across the street from an autistic kid. He'd scream for hours. We'd get stoned, go out on the porch drinking beer and the smokers smoking. Listening to the poor kid scream. Those were good times.
My first thought is B.S. but there are reputable sources. My second thought is what other drugs are these people using?
The pesticide connection is possible but dubious. We ingest many pesticides from the stuff we eat. Most people don't get cannabis from the same source continually. One week you get an eighth of Avid, then an eighth of neem, then an eighth of pyrethrin. A lot of these pesticides are complex molecules that break down quickly. They are toxic but only for a few weeks or months.
Fertilizers can contain heavy metals, sludge, stuff that can build up in your body. Even organic ones. I guess that they can build up in people's bodies but would they cause scromiting? Ha ha scromiting.
Could it be a mass hysteria, hypnosis, Jumping Frenchmen type thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpin...chmen_of_Maine
Your friend scromits, you associate smoking with scromiting, pretty soon you're scromiting too?
The suspicion of neem oil in this case brings up a good point. Just because something is organic or not mainstream doesn't necessarily mean it's safe. A lot of this stuff hasn't been tested or used in the way people are using it now. Not saying we need to ditch the neem but use it moderately and try to wash the stuff off well before harvesting. I try to never spray my plants once they go into flower.
The most likely scenario, it's a small sample, maybe a couple hundred over several years out of thousands and millions. In a few years we'll have forgotten about it.

[stewart169]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

I have seen cannabis users do a 'WHITEY' when consuming strong 'erb, but have never heard of this before.

What is a "WHITEY"?

[bigtacofarmer]

Originally Posted by therevverend

First time I've heard of this, been smoking and around smokers for a long time. I've had/seen people get the spins and vomit from smoking especially when drinking but I've never seen screamers. When I was in college my friends' stoner house was across the street from an autistic kid. He'd scream for hours. We'd get stoned, go out on the porch drinking beer and the smokers smoking. Listening to the poor kid scream. Those were good times.
My first thought is B.S. but there are reputable sources. My second thought is what other drugs are these people using?
The pesticide connection is possible but dubious. We ingest many pesticides from the stuff we eat. Most people don't get cannabis from the same source continually. One week you get an eighth of Avid, then an eighth of neem, then an eighth of pyrethrin. A lot of these pesticides are complex molecules that break down quickly. They are toxic but only for a few weeks or months.
Fertilizers can contain heavy metals, sludge, stuff that can build up in your body. Even organic ones. I guess that they can build up in people's bodies but would they cause scromiting? Ha ha scromiting.
Could it be a mass hysteria, hypnosis, Jumping Frenchmen type thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpin...chmen_of_Maine
Your friend scromits, you associate smoking with scromiting, pretty soon you're scromiting too?
The suspicion of neem oil in this case brings up a good point. Just because something is organic or not mainstream doesn't necessarily mean it's safe. A lot of this stuff hasn't been tested or used in the way people are using it now. Not saying we need to ditch the neem but use it moderately and try to wash the stuff off well before harvesting. I try to never spray my plants once they go into flower.
The most likely scenario, it's a small sample, maybe a couple hundred over several years out of thousands and millions. In a few years we'll have forgotten about it.

That is why I mentioned dabbing. I know for a fact myclobutinol shows up in concentrated amounts in extracts. That is the active ingredient in eagle 20 and promise fungicide. What about the 100s of other chemicals and home recipes. Not to mention the lower quality the product the more likely the sprayed something on it and then made extracts. I worked at a grow store long enough to see that many growers use several questionable products and not according to directions.

What percentage of these items makes it to the final product before some poor fool vaporizes it at 700 degrees. There is no way to say what that can do with extended exposure.

I am not saying it is the cause of screaming puke syndrome. But just writing this makes me want to vomit and yell!

[kalopatchkid]

Originally Posted by Cvh

Is it due to chemical pesticides/fertilizer? Then we should get sick from eating our other vegetables to. These are grown using the same (organic) fertilizer/pesticides.
Is it that organic Neem, Aza pesticide? Could be, it's not because it's organic it's not dangerous. Lots of toxic plants, the majority of plants on earth are toxic actually. Many plants can even easily kill a man. Ie. Datura, Bella Donna, Opium poppy's,... to name a few.

you cant compare cannabis to vegetables because we arent lighting them on fire and inhaling them. Certain chemical compounds can become toxic once combusted

[bigtacofarmer]

I do not see why anyone would defend pesticides. They are for emergencies in mom and veg rooms. You should use them to eliminate a problem. Clean your flower room spotless and fill up with clean bug and pesticide free plants. Period. Or stop growing. Period. Sick of having to say this but I needs to be heard!

[paradoxlost]

Originally Posted by DocTim420

IMO...it is evidence that: sum of the parts is greater than the whole.

Let me explain, most of us know that cannabis is an accumulator and is used in remediation of soil containing heavy metals (remember Chernobyl?). As the plant accumulates, one has to ask--"where does this stuff go?"...hmmm, pockets within the plant tissues is one answer.

And as these pockets of "accumulation" are mixed with other goodies, say Neem (aka azadirachta) what happens? We don't know. Now throw in all the "cides" that are "systemic" (active ingredient stays within the plant) and the cides with "translocation" properties (movement of active ingredient from leaves to other plant parts)...what happens?

I submit that maybe, maybe...when we expect to see "1 + 2 = 3", the actual formula is more like: 1 + 2 + v = 4 (the missing variable that includes accumulation, systemic, and translocation activities).

Some people can eat peanuts, others eat one peanut and they almost die...some people can drink all the milk they want, others are lactose intolerant...some people can eat shellfish, others eat one shrimp and their face balloons up. So just because it does not happen to "me", it does not mean it won't happen to "you".

Not to mention everyone cloning to propagate instead of starting fresh each time. Not exactly taking that into account.

[Guy Brush]

Maybe dabbing? Too high concentrated extracts? Byproducts of bho? Anyways, I got relief from anxiety attacks after smoking by showering hot. I also partially blame my attacks on poisoning by wood protection products. I had one flat (which was literally made of wood) where I developed several symptoms which got better when I moved to another. But I never vomited, just dizzyness and heavy panic and one time I couldn't speak anymore. But everybody reacts differently, I'd say. Back then I even suspected the carbon filter to emit particles which could have damaged my health but I'm sure now it wasn't. Wood protection poisoning is very underrated and ridiculed, imo. When you visit the doc and say you are suspecting wood protection products to poison you they won't look deeper. That's my experience.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by stewart169

What is a "WHITEY"?

A 'WHITEY' is when someone consumes strong cannabis, and faints.

The face turns a pasty white/grey pallor, and the person can loose consciousness for a while (usually not so long).

*Pallor is a pale color of the skin that can be caused by illness, emotional shock or stress, stimulant use, or anemia, and is the result of a reduced amount of oxyhaemoglobin and is visible in skin or mucous membrane. Pallor is more evident on the face and palms.

[Jhhnn]

I suspect that CHS only occurs when people engage in very heavy chronic use from edibles or dabs. Attributing it to contaminants is highly speculative. It's been observed all over the world if to a very limited degree & the only known constant is cannabis itself.

I also think it's probably a separate issue from some people's sensitivity to azradactin.

I mean, Hell- even oxygen is toxic when you get too much of it so I think it's important for all of us to realize such a thing is possible & to adjust our behavior should we experience symptoms. Don't wait until you're screaming about scromitting to lay off the dabs.